?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: And, as far as discrediting the FBI, I'm pretty sure that given the facts as they are today, that's already been done. The point is you don't know the facts, you only know the propaganda from Trump/Nunes. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: The point is you don't know the facts, you only know the propaganda from Trump/Nunes. No, we don't know ALL the facts, the democrats are working hard to ensure that. What we do know so far, doesn't look great on behalf of the FBI. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 Answer me this ?Impact, why are redactions made to a document? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Answer me this ?Impact, why are redactions made to a document? Answer me this Hal 9000, why were readactions not made to the Nunes memo? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Answer me this Hal 9000, why were readactions not made to the Nunes memo? Because nothing in the memo exposed secretive procedure or intelligence methods or needed redacting. I don't think any of the DOJ issues with the memo were in regards to possible redactions or accuracy of events, they just didn't want the names released. Now, back to my question; why are redactions made to a document? 2 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 BTW, you can just call me Hal. No need to add the 9000, we will know who you're referring to. Just to save you time. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Because nothing in the memo exposed secretive procedure or intelligence methods or needed redacting. Both the Justice department and the FBI expressed concern about the release of the Nunes memo for that exact reason. The President however made the decision to declassify the memo, and that is a power the President does have, but did he do it for purely political purposes? 11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: BTW, you can just call me Hal. If you start calling me Dave I will get paranoid. Edited February 10, 2018 by ?Impact Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Both the Justice department and the FBI expressed concern about the release of the Nunes memo for that exact reason. The President however made the decision to declassify the memo, and that is a power the President does have, but did he do it for purely political purposes? How about IBM+111 Well, then it should be easy to point out where the redactions in the Nunes memo should be, maybe you could help list those items. BTW - You're not going to answer my question are you? I don't blame you. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Well, then it should be easy to point out where the redactions in the Nunes memo should be, maybe you could help list those items. The DOJ & FBI pointed them out to the House intelligence committee and the President, they did not make them public. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: The DOJ & FBI pointed them out to the House intelligence committee and the President, they did not make them public. So, the memo is out there, and apparently was not redacted, so...which parts should be redacted? How come you never answer questions? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
OftenWrong Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: So, the memo is out there, and apparently was not redacted, so...which parts should be redacted? How come you never answer questions? It's a good point... if this is the whole memo, what was it the FBI was concerned about? Quote
Boges Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: It's a good point... if this is the whole memo, what was it the FBI was concerned about? What's Trump concerned about in the Democrat Memo? Quote
?Impact Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 22 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: How come you never answer questions? I have no problems answering questions I have an answer to. When you ask me to speculate I see little value in that. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 The question was not speculative. I know the answer, do you? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said: The question was not speculative. I know the answer, do you? Great, then please post the answer. I was not privy to the DOJ/FBI comments, and suspect that if I was I would be breaking some (American) law if I revealed it. Are you privy to they comments? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 Documents are redacted so the public cant see the what is written. Pretty simple really! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Documents are redacted so the public cant see the what is written. Pretty simple really! You asked: So, the memo is out there, and apparently was not redacted, so...which parts should be redacted? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 I also asked why documents are redacted, doesn't matter as you were unable to answer either question. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I also asked why documents are redacted, doesn't matter as you were unable to answer either question. I don't see your response to the second question, the one that was in the thread I was addressing. Your other response is very vague. It does not address the 'why' they don't want the public to see what is written. Trump himself said in his tweet yesterday morning that he redacted because the memo was "political and too long", of course he ignored the fact that the Nunes memo that he did declassify was "political and misleading". Your response was more along the lines of "Why did you paint the house blue - so it would be blue". Edited February 12, 2018 by ?Impact Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Trump himself said in his tweet yesterday morning that he redacted because the memo was "political and too long" No he did not say that. Here is the tweet- The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo which they knew, because of sources and methods (and more), would have to be heavily redacted, whereupon they would blame the White House for lack of transparency. Told them to re-do and send back in proper form! Quote
?Impact Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No he did not say that. I was paraphrasing, but taken directly from your quotation: The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo which they knew, because of sources and methods (and more), would have to be heavily redacted, whereupon they would blame the White House for lack of transparency. Told them to re-do and send back in proper form! You will not that the President failed to redact the confidential information in the Nunes memo, he decided to declassify it instead. He has that choice with the longer, and less misleading memo, but he decided against that. Was that due to concerns about national security, or was it purely political? Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I was paraphrasing, but taken directly from your quotation: The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo which they knew, because of sources and methods (and more), would have to be heavily redacted, whereupon they would blame the White House for lack of transparency. Told them to re-do and send back in proper form! 44 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Trump himself said in his tweet yesterday morning that he redacted because the memo was "political and too long", of course he ignored ... You were not paraphrasing, you were totally mistaken. Perhaps you were just "telling a bad joke". 1 1 Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I don't see your response to the second question, the one that was in the thread I was addressing. Your other response is very vague. It does not address the 'why' they don't want the public to see what is written. Trump himself said in his tweet yesterday morning that he redacted because the memo was "political and too long", of course he ignored the fact that the Nunes memo that he did declassify was "political and misleading". Your response was more along the lines of "Why did you paint the house blue - so it would be blue". Documents that are redacted due to sensitive information are documents that were written for the intelligence community only and not intended for public viewing. When something gets released for public viewing, sometimes that document gets redacted. Now, when writing a memo specifically for the benefit of the viewing public, the author of such memo would know what details would and should be redacted - and leave those details out. What we have here is a memo written by Schiff that needs redactions. Why would someone write a memo intended for public consumption and include details that obviously need redacting? Answer, because he wanted the memo to be refused by the president. He trusted that the president wouldn't be so reckless as to release it in it's original form - a calculated gamble, but the payoff is big "what is he hiding"? Schiff was willing to gamble FBI/DOJ secrets on the president doing the right thing. For a political party so intent on helping the FBI, they sure didn't mind using them as a pawn. The reason that the Nunes memo didn't get redacted is because Nunes wanted it to be released - simple as that. Edited February 12, 2018 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
OftenWrong Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, ?Impact said: You will not that the President failed to redact the confidential information in the Nunes memo, he decided to declassify it instead. He has that choice with the longer, and less misleading memo, but he decided against that. Was that due to concerns about national security, or was it purely political? It is interesting that you think the Dems memo is "less misleading" without ever having read it. Or should I say, it is rather ridiculous. As already discussed in my post of Feb 10 2018, Donald Trump submitted the memo for review to the US Deputy Attorney and also the Director of the FBI, who co-wrote a letter explaining the technical problems with the memo. Mr.Trump then assured the US public that the Dem`s memo will be released once these problems are solved. Edited February 12, 2018 by OftenWrong Quote
?Impact Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: IMr.Trump then assured the US public that the Dem`s memo will be released once these problems are solved. Which is unlike what he did with the Nunes memo, he instead decided to exercise his power to declassify information. Pure politics. 16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Perhaps you were just "telling a bad joke". I was referencing Trump. 6 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: The reason that the Nunes memo didn't get redacted is because Nunes wanted it to be released - simple as that. No, it didn't get redacted because Trump decided to declassify its contents - simple as that. Quote
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