Canada's Refugee System in Chaos

Argus · June 9, 2018

4 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Because properly managed immigration is needed......

It's not needed as much as people are led to believe. And our refugee system has been a mess for years. For example, most of the Syrians we took in did not qualify as refugees under our own definition.

eyeball · June 9, 2018

2 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

You're a scary guy Eyeball. With all the advances we've made on Human Rights and Environmental awareness in the past 30 years alone - all the trading relationships that have taken hold, a grudging end to Soviet Communism, China being pulled ever closer to some form of people representation.....all these advances - and you are advocating violence?

I'm predicting violence not advocating it.

Your "one world" view is just a larger breeding ground for elitism - a place where the one-percent can hang out.

You'rej ust not getting it, globalism IS the breeding ground - the one percent already have their one world economy, it was handed to them on a silver platter nearly 20 year ago. Refugees are a consequence, an effect of globalism, not a cause.

bush_cheney2004 · June 9, 2018

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You'rej ust not getting it, globalism IS the breeding ground - the one percent already have their one world economy, it was handed to them on a silver platter nearly 20 year ago. Refugees are a consequence, an effect of globalism, not a cause.

Actually, worldwide refugee populations declined until about 2010...driven by wars and ethnic conflicts, not "globalism":

http://www.systemicpeace.org/conflicttrends.html

Edited June 9, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

Centerpiece · June 9, 2018

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm predicting violence not advocating it.

You'rej ust not getting it, globalism IS the breeding ground - the one percent already have their one world economy, it was handed to them on a silver platter nearly 20 year ago. Refugees are a consequence, an effect of globalism, not a cause.

You're going to have to put a few more words to your snippets of thought - because we might be closer than you think. Globalism is bad. I don't agree with complete nationalist isolation but heck, you need to at least get training wheels with tried and true bi-lateral and tri-lateral trade before you move to the next stage. Find common ground in small blocks and then find common ground with another block. It takes time and patience and we've got along way to go.

eyeball · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Actually, worldwide refugee populations declined until about 2010...driven by wars and ethnic conflicts, not "globalism":

Wars and conflicts driven by globalism.

bush_cheney2004 · June 10, 2018

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Wars and conflicts driven by globalism.

Nope...refugees decreased during globalization...nice try.

eyeball · June 10, 2018

1 hour ago, Centerpiece said:

You're going to have to put a few more words to your snippets of thought - because we might be closer than you think. Globalism is bad. I don't agree with complete nationalist isolation but heck, you need to at least get training wheels with tried and true bi-lateral and tri-lateral trade before you move to the next stage. Find common ground in small blocks and then find common ground with another block. It takes time and patience and we've got along way to go.

I'm convinced we won't make it due to the fact capitalism is inherently sociopathic and too many countries lack the things I mentioned above; better justice, more universal standards and above all else, total public awareness of everything in the public domain that government touches upon. These are anathema to capitalism and beyond the reach of nations in the borderless frontier that money now roams.

eyeball · June 10, 2018

28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nope...refugees decreased during globalization...nice try.

Globalism is not a period of time that's come and gone...try again.

bush_cheney2004 · June 10, 2018

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Globalism is not a period of time that's come and gone...try again.

As usual, you are long on emotional opinion and short on data/facts.

Refugees were fleeing wars and ethnic conflict long before globalization was even a word.

The war in Syria was not caused by "globalism".....Canada had a decrease in refugees during the rise of globalization:

http://ccrweb.ca/en/information-refugees

eyeball · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

As usual, you are long on emotional opinion and short on data/facts.

As usual, you switch the channel. If this were about the climate you'd be pointing at the weather.

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Refugees were fleeing wars and ethnic conflict long before globalization was even a word.

The war in Syria was not caused by "globalism".....Canada had a decrease in refugees during the rise of globalization:

And yet...

Globalists probably think this is a tide table.

As always, we haven't seen anything yet.

Edited June 10, 2018 by eyeball

bush_cheney2004 · June 10, 2018

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And yet...

And yet...your own data depicts a reduction in refugees at the height of "globalism", even as you pad the bill with other groups.

Recent increases are due to wars (e.g. Syria). Nobody relocated an auto assembly plant to/from Syria.

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Globalists probably think this is a tide table.

As always, we haven't seen anything yet.

We have seen refugees for hundreds of years....not globalism.

Edited June 10, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

turningrite · June 10, 2018

On 6/8/2018 at 4:46 PM, taxme said:

Bringing in over three hundred thousand new immigrants on top of the legal and illegal ones every year will not help in anyway our unemployment situation. There are thousands of new immigrants and legal and illegals that are not working. This is taking a big toll on our tax dollars and for what? To try and bankrupt Canadians because it sure looks like that is what our dear leaders are trying to do. Our problems will always be there because of our present day immigration policy. Otherwise what else can it be that keeps the unemployed unemployed and the debt soaring up every year. Canada needs a moratorium on immigration now and not wait for another ten years from now to realize that we do have an immigration problem. .

I'm not sure a complete moratorium is practical or necessary. However, I believe the immigration intake level could comfortably be cut in half, with strong preference given to highly-skilled candidates and their immediate family members (i.e. spouses and children). We need to make sure that immigrants are almost immediately productive. What good does it do us if the best immigrants struggle and in many cases leave the country for greener pastures? There is too great a focus on family class immigrants and recently on refugees and self-selecting border-crossing migrants, many of whom receive, or will receive, public subsidies for years. The Fraser Institute has determined that economically marginal immigration is costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year, a situation that's bound to get worse if current policies and practices remain intact. If we're going to maintain high immigration levels, I believe we're going to have to restrict access to social benefits based on residency qualifications and/or financial contributions to the system, as we currently do with OAS and the Canada Pension.

Edited June 10, 2018 by turningrite

eyeball · June 10, 2018

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

We have seen refugees for hundreds of years....not globalism.

Refugees...migrants...tomato tomahto

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Globalization: implications for immigrants and refugees

Globalization is not a new process. It is an acceleration of changes induced by the post-industrial revolution in transport and communication. The rapid growth of population in less developed countries combines with a reduction in barriers to migration from formerly authoritarian regimes to induce mobility. Economic inequality combines with demographic pressures and environmental crises to generate ethnic conflict and terrorist threats. Wealthier countries are placing restrictions on the admission of those seeking to improve their economic prospects and/or to escape persecution. Despite the number of asylum seekers in Europe and North America, African and Asian countries bear the greatest burden of refugees. Temporary migration, business travel and tourism have added to the numbers crossing state boundaries, making effective control difficult. It is concluded that recommendations made by the Commission on Global Governance should be implemented without delay.

eyeball · June 10, 2018

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

I'm not sure a complete moratorium is practical or necessary. However, I believe the immigration intake level could comfortably be cut in half, with strong preference given to highly-skilled candidates and their immediate family members (i.e. spouses and children). We need to make sure that immigrants are almost immediately productive. What good does it do us if the best immigrants struggle and in many cases leave the country for greener pastures? There is too great a focus on family class immigrants and recently on refugees and self-selecting border-crossing migrants, many of whom receive, or will receive, public subsidies for years. The Fraser Institute has determined that economically marginal immigration is costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year, a situation that's bound to get worse if current policies and practices remain intact. If we're going to maintain high immigration levels, I believe we're going to have to restrict access to social benefits based on residency qualifications and/or financial contributions to the system, as we currently do with OAS and the Canada Pension.

You're talking about trying to stop a tsunami. Good luck with that.

taxme · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, turningrite said:

I'm not sure a complete moratorium is practical or necessary. However, I believe the immigration intake level could comfortably be cut in half, with strong preference given to highly-skilled candidates and their immediate family members (i.e. spouses and children). We need to make sure that immigrants are almost immediately productive. What good does it do us if the best immigrants struggle and in many cases leave the country for greener pastures? There is too great a focus on family class immigrants and recently on refugees and self-selecting border-crossing migrants, many of whom receive, or will receive, public subsidies for years. The Fraser Institute has determined that economically marginal immigration is costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year, a situation that's bound to get worse if current policies and practices remain intact. If we're going to maintain high immigration levels, I believe we're going to have to restrict access to social benefits based on residency qualifications and/or financial contributions to the system, as we currently do with OAS and the Canada Pension.

Canada is going to need a real and true leader like Trump who is not afraid and willing to take on Canada's present day immigration policy and our legal/illegal immigration crisis and the chain migration that follows. As soon as a legal/illegal immigrant gets to make it to Canada and gets to stay in Canada the first thing next on their list is to try and get as many of their family members as they can into Canada as soon as possible. Filipinos and Sikhs are well known for this. It is called chain migration. And with that chain migration comes many problems and a bigger burden on the Canadian taxpayer's of Canada and eventually those older family members get to use our medicare and social services for free. They may even get some kind of a pension after they are here for so many years for free.

A moratorium is required if they are close to 2 million Canadians unemployed. Our medical and social services are going bankrupt because of our immigration policies. Yet to bring this up gets some people here all upset. I guess that common sense and logic is just not their forte and they feel that there is plenty of room in Canada for millions more of new immigrants every year. Plus those that want a more sensible immigration policy get to be called racists or anti-immigrant just for telling it like it should be told.

The Fraser Institute always gets a bad name from the left wing liberals and their left wing liberal media supporters. Those liberals will never acknowledge that massive immigration into Canada every year is starting to become a big problem in Canada and what the FI is talking about makes no common sense or logic to them at all. They just want to see more massive immigration. Emotionalism runs the minds of the liberals. Deplorable non-thinking people. Canadians are nothing more than a bunch of suckers for the rest of the world and the rest of the world knows it but for some u/k stupid reason they just don't seem to want to get it.

bush_cheney2004 · June 10, 2018

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Canada is going to need a real and true leader like Trump who is not afraid and willing to take on Canada's present day immigration policy and our legal/illegal immigration crisis and the chain migration that follows....

Sure hope so....the U.S. has to deal with the immigrants/refugees turned terrorists when they decide to cross the border to blow up U.S. airports, stab people, plot bombings, kill soldiers, etc.

taxme · June 10, 2018

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're talking about trying to stop a tsunami. Good luck with that.

Immigration can be stopped tout suite. All it takes is political will to do something about it. There is only so much room in your home for people to live in and prosper and there is only so much room for so many new immigrants to prosper in Canada. The rest who cannot get to prosper get to stay here for free and are able to take advantage of all that Canada has to offer like medicare and social services maybe even a pension one day for free. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants on top of all the legal and illegal ones is a tsunami in the making.

There are many patriotic Canadians trying to sound the warning bells about this massive immigration going on into Canada but there are so many who seem to not want to hear those warning bells. Good luck is right when one has to deal with those kinds of people.

taxme · June 10, 2018

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure hope so....the U.S. has to deal with the immigrants/refugees turned terrorists when they decide to cross the border to blow up U.S. airports, stab people, plot bombings, kill soldiers, etc.

It's very hard to get pass most people who are just plain dumb to be able to think for themselves. They listen to the pro-immigration lobby and the politically correct multicultural politicians, globalists and their liberal MSM who keeps trying to tell us all that massive immigration is good and great for both our countries. Those mentioned are into massive immigration because there is money to be made from it for themselves and that is why they want to flood North America with more and more new immigrants dam the consequences.

On FOX the other day they had a spokesman on from the Trump administration who was saying that crime statistics have gone way way up and are running rampant in the American south west by all the illegals that have entered America illegally. Rapes, robberies, drugs and murders are on the rise and are being committed just about every day in the southern states of America. But the left wing liberal media will never report those facts. The MSM appears to actually support more illegal immigration into America. One can only get the other side of the story from news outlets like FOX or the many other alternative media outlets out there who do report the true facts and the other side of the story the story that the lefty liberals do not want we the people to know about. Shocking indeed.

eyeball · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Immigration can be stopped tout suite. All it takes is political will to do something about it.

There's never a Pinochet around when you need one is there?

eyeball · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Canada is going to need a real and true leader like Trump

You mean like someone with the courage of their convictions, someone like you maybe?

turningrite · June 11, 2018

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Immigration can be stopped tout suite. All it takes is political will to do something about it. There is only so much room in your home for people to live in and prosper and there is only so much room for so many new immigrants to prosper in Canada. The rest who cannot get to prosper get to stay here for free and are able to take advantage of all that Canada has to offer like medicare and social services maybe even a pension one day for free. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants on top of all the legal and illegal ones is a tsunami in the making.

There are many patriotic Canadians trying to sound the warning bells about this massive immigration going on into Canada but there are so many who seem to not want to hear those warning bells. Good luck is right when one has to deal with those kinds of people.

A big part of the problem is that many Canadians, and particularly those living outside of the Toronto and Vancouver regions, significantly underestimate the extent and impacts of large-scale immigration. Studies have demonstrated this to be the case. When those who underestimate the numbers are made aware of the the actual immigration intake level, support for current immigration policies drops significantly. Equally, I suspect most Canadians are also generally unaware of the social program costs associated with large-scale immigration. My guess is that the federal government doesn't want the general public to know the extent of the problem.

Argus · June 11, 2018

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

A big part of the problem is that many Canadians, and particularly those living outside of the Toronto and Vancouver regions, significantly underestimate the extent and impacts of large-scale immigration. Studies have demonstrated this to be the case. When those who underestimate the numbers are made aware of the the actual immigration intake level, support for current immigration policies drops significantly. Equally, I suspect most Canadians are also generally unaware of the social program costs associated with large-scale immigration. My guess is that the federal government doesn't want the general public to know the extent of the problem.

This is absolutely true. They have no clue what letting in tens of thousands of migrants who call themselves refugees costs either. We're talking about people who, for the most part, have no job skills, little education and can't speak, read or write English or French. These people will be on welfare for decades. Years ago Border Services pegged the average cost of an UNSUCCESSFUL refugee claimant at $50,000. They never gave the cost for the successful ones, but it's certainly higher. That's billions a year. The cost of admitting even one senior is estimated at $300,000, much of that in health care costs. And Trudeau doubled the number of seniors allowed to e sponsored to 10,000. That's another $3 billion per year. But you'll rarely ever seen this mentioned in the mainstream media, and never by politicians.

Edited June 11, 2018 by Argus

taxme · June 11, 2018

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's never a Pinochet around when you need one is there?

Sure glad there is a Trump around. You can have your Trudeau. :lol:

taxme · June 11, 2018

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

You mean like someone with the courage of their convictions, someone like you maybe?

You just don't realize just how lucky you are having Trump and myself around. We both have the politically incorrect courage to say what and how we feel and what is on our minds. Your problem is that you cannot handle or hear the truth. So sad for you.

taxme · June 11, 2018

4 hours ago, turningrite said:

A big part of the problem is that many Canadians, and particularly those living outside of the Toronto and Vancouver regions, significantly underestimate the extent and impacts of large-scale immigration. Studies have demonstrated this to be the case. When those who underestimate the numbers are made aware of the the actual immigration intake level, support for current immigration policies drops significantly. Equally, I suspect most Canadians are also generally unaware of the social program costs associated with large-scale immigration. My guess is that the federal government doesn't want the general public to know the extent of the problem.

Indeed. If there is someone living a hundred miles away outside of the big cities like Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton, Ottawa, Calgary or Vancouver they would probably not know or see the effects of massive immigration and the costs associated with massive immigration. Thanks to many websites that discuss immigration here in Canada I would not have known either about the impact of massive immigration into Canada. The mainstream liberal media prefer to make massive immigration look great for Canada and Canadians and they want more of it.

Indeed it is the federal government and the mainstream liberal media who do not want all Canadians to know the facts about massive immigration and the problems that are associated and are being created by hundreds of thousands of new immigrants on top of the already legal/illegal refugees coming to Canada every year on what it is doing to our medical and social services and the environment and infrastructure. It has to be running into the billions every year. And it would appear as though there are some politician who want even more new immigrants than what Canada already takes in every year. I heard of figures like a million a year. And where most of those millions would come from are not from countries that care all that much about our culture, traditions, values and the way we do things here. Canada has changed a lot with the many new languages, religions, cultures and traditions that it is taking in and is getting to the point where I have to keep asking myself is there still going to be in the future the same old Canada that I was born and brought up in many many decades ago or will it begin to appear as though I am living in some foreign country where I prefer not to live in? It's getting sad looking out there in Canada land.