DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 10 hours ago, blackbird said: How are Zionists racist? According to Wikipedia the word: " Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, " That being the case, how is the Jewish people wanting to re-establish their Jewish homeland racist? They did it fair n' square, too...buying the land from the Ottoman Empire when offered....paying top dollar for it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 Google the images for 'Turkey people' and compare them with 'Kazakhstan people' or 'Kyrgyz people'. This one ain't even close. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 Bibi can't be too pleased with his son at the mo: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.811420 Quote
Altai Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Google the images for 'Turkey people' and compare them with 'Kazakhstan people' or 'Kyrgyz people'. This one ain't even close. Again, you are far away from a scientific approach. Most of these pics in Google is just a false propaganda posted by persons like you. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Altai said: Again, you are far away from a scientific approach. Most of these pics in Google is just a false propaganda posted by persons like you. Really? You must think people like me are extremely energetic. Edited September 10, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Rue Posted September 10, 2017 Report Posted September 10, 2017 17 hours ago, blackbird said: How are Zionists racist? According to Wikipedia the word: " Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, " That being the case, how is the Jewish people wanting to re-establish their Jewish homeland racist? You of course won' get an answer from Kactus, Altai, Marcus, et al. One thing that you will find in common in all these piss on Israel threads, the accusations and allegations can never be backed up and so the people who throw them out try deflect and change the subject. If you look at this thread everytime Altai, Marcus, Kactus et al are asked to prove their allegation they change the topic by making new allegations or simply name call and avoid finishing the allegation. Zionism was never about race. In fact it was partially a response to the anti semitic accusation Jews were or are a race. Jews of course are a mix of every physical characteristic there is like any other human. Our genetic roots can be traced back to a blood type we share with other semites of whom now are called Arabs including Palestinians and possibly certain Persians or Egyptians although less likely. Semites could include Africans or Felashies and even Bombay Indians and certain Chinese not white Europeans. Tsfardic or Mitzrahi Jews are Arabs just no Muslim. Ashkenazi Jews are associated with white Jews because they went to Europe. The reality is you will find an Arab or Jew of every look. Regional clothing can make them differ. What we think makes them differ like nose shape or skin tone does not. Its a subjective perception not a genetic one. The term race as used by the idiots who come on piss on Israel threads was created because it was based on the false premises that we Jews defined ourselves as a distinct people chosen by God and therefore we considered ourselves better than non Jews and a distinct race. It is of course bull shit. The Biblical reference to chosen people had and has nothing to do with race. It was a story that said, if we Jews agreed to pray to God as a collective he would remember us as a collective. So we promised to worship God as a collective to be remembered by him as a collective. That is all it meant. In fact Judaism does not define Jews as better or superior to non Jews, Islam does. Its why Islam defines Jews as dhimmi, inferiors not able to own land or have a state or have he same legal rights as Muslims in Muslim sharia law states. Zionism never defined Jews as chosen or better. Its an apolitical definition of Jews being a political collective not a religious one. Its silent on Judaism the religion. Those Zionists that quote the Bible are a minority of a minority of Zionists rejected by mainstream Zionism and never part of original Zionism. They are in fact a sect that originated in Brooklyn New York with Meyer Kahane a founder of the Jewish Defence League and a bigot and hate monger who went on to find th Kache Party which fueled violent extremist Jews on the West Bank one who killed Yitzhak Rabin. There are individual Jews who hate Arabs in Israel. There are Arab Israelis who hate Israeli Jews. There are Palestinians that hate Jews and Israelis. There are Arabs that hate Jews. None of this is based on racism. Israel has experienced internal racism with its Felashie and African Jews or Arab or dark skinned Tsfardic Jews also called Mitzrahi r Arab Jews and Russian Jews who came from Russia. Within the Arab world, light skinned Arabs from North Africa Egypt, Qatar, Syria, Iraq, have used darked skinned African Jews or Fillipinos, Indonesians, Pakistanis or Bangla Deshis as manuals and discriminated against them based on their skin colour or perception of being inferior Muslims. To this day a slave trade of Muslims from Dahomey, Senegal, Tanzania, Nigeria, Mauritius. Chad, Niger, Mali, Sudan to name a few nations are shipped of as cheap labour to build the lavish lifestyles in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE. You want an eye opener, you need to see how these individuals are shipped in planes or boats and how they are treated. Race is not a Jewish construct or a Zionist one. Never has been. Its not supposed to be a construct in Islam as well. The original Jews would have moved from Mesopotamia. They would have been dark skinned and Indian looking probably no different then Arabs. Subsequent Mongolian. Greek, Roman, European invaders would have mixed with all peoples of the Middle East through rape from wars or consensual sex. Other Jews and Arabs were black Africans. The intermixing caused variations in secondary physical characteristics but not genetic ones, that Middle East blood type remained. Zionism was falsely defined as saying Arabs were inferior by the very Muslim extremists who believe Jews are inferior to Muslims. It was designed to deflect from their actual belief in Jews being inferior by Muslims. The same people on this thread who call Zionism racism won't ever acknowledge what dhimmitude is and how it is in fact Islam through Muslim sharia law states that define Jews as inferior. They won't acknowledge Muslim and Christian Jews have all the legal rights no Jew to this day has in any Muslim country. Quote
marcus Posted September 11, 2017 Author Report Posted September 11, 2017 23 hours ago, blackbird said: How are Zionists racist? According to Wikipedia the word: " Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, " That being the case, how is the Jewish people wanting to re-establish their Jewish homeland racist? What makes it wrong is that the settlement is at the expense of another group who were already there. Over 600,000 Palestinians were driven out of their homes and 500 Palestinian villages were demolished. Now Palestinians make up the largest group of refugees, still waiting to go back to their homes as it has been mandated by international law. In order to allow the crimes that were committed against the Palestinians and are still being committed, many Zionists will go to great lengths by lying and spreading misinformation. If you look well enough, you will find Israeli historians and Israeli soldiers from the past and present who will tell you what the truth has been. Here is an Israeli soldier describing some of the things done by Jewish terrorist groups/militias when they systematically drove Palestinians out. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 Again a classic example of "Marcus" providing a canned script and no response to the actual question, how is this land dispute, racist. 1 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 The Arabs started the war....the Grand Mufti in particular was keen on eliminating every single Jewish man woman and child on the planet. That's who marcus supports. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Altai Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 17 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Really? You must think people like me are extremely energetic. Yes people are quite energetic when it comes to enmity against Muslims and especially Muslim Turks. You are just one of them. Why are you such interested with genetic of Anatolian people ? Why do you create stories in your mind and you need to believe in these stories ? So lets do it I dont have Asian genetics and I have Greek Armanian Kurdish genetics. What happens ? Someones give you money ? or what ? Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 19 hours ago, Rue said: You of course won' get an answer from Kactus, Altai, Marcus, et al. One thing that you will find in common in all these piss on Israel threads, the accusations and allegations can never be backed up and so the people who throw them out try deflect and change the subject. Well we can and have talked about the settlements, which you agree are a problem, but still you treat that as being anti-semetic and pissing on Israel. So at least ONE point has been brought up. Quote
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Altai said: Yes people are quite energetic when it comes to enmity against Muslims and especially Muslim Turks. You are just one of them. Why are you such interested with genetic of Anatolian people ? Why do you create stories in your mind and you need to believe in these stories ? So lets do it I dont have Asian genetics and I have Greek Armanian Kurdish genetics. What happens ? Someones give you money ? or what ? Altai came on this thread and has on other threads and in one breath claims Muslim Turks or Muslims are being improperly spoken of on this forum with intolerance, then in the next breath ridicules other religions. This is someone who came on the forum quoted the Torah out of context to suggest Jews are barbaric and run around cutting off penises on a thread Ghost started that failed to distinguish between individuals running terrorist simulation camps and all Israelis. She also referred to me as a KAFIR but now claims again to argue Jews are “racist” and people on this forum discriminate against Muslim Turks. Lets be clear. Kafir is an Arabic word not a Turkish word but Altai chose to use it. You can find out what it means but it’s the equivalent of me coming on this forum calling people ni..ers and then in the next breath saying those ni..ers are racist against her. Let’s Kafirs are generally divided into two main groups, Dhimmis and Harbis. A Dhimmi is a Kafir who pays the Jizya (protection tax) and accepts the supremacy of Islam while given permission to live and practice his religion (only Judaism and Christianity) under strict rules. A Harbi is either 1) a Christian or Jew not willing to accept Islam or live as a dhimmi paying the jizya tax, or 2) a person from any non-Abrahamic faith or no faith at all, unwilling to convert to Islam. Harbis are transgressors on Allah’s earth and therefore open enemies to the Muslims who are sanctioned by the Quran to strive against such individuals until religion is only for Islam. So let us be crystal clear. Altai supports and advocates and is here to advocate Muslim beliefs that non Muslims are Kafir which is necessarily bigoted and discriminatory. Now this “Altai” who did quote the Bible out of context to suggest we Jews kill indiscriminately and grab penises and cut them off, will not of course quote the verses of the Koran she believes in such as: Q 9:28 O you who believe! The pagans are nothing but (najis) unclean, so they shall not approach the sacred Mosque...Allah not only refers to an entire group of humanity as unclean but forbids them from entering Islamic places of worship. Q 47:4 When you meet the kafir in battle, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favour or ransom them until the war terminates. Thus are you commanded. But if it had been Allah's will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them Himself; but He lets you fight in order to test you. Those who are slain in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost. Q 8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. Q 9:5: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” Q 22:19-22: “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods.” On the one hand this “Altai” quotes Bible verses to make Jews sound like savages who indiscriminately kill non Jews while at the same time “she” believes in the above. Now let’s summarize. Whatever the Israeli pisser name of the day is, Marcus, Kactus, Altai, the agenda is clear-they support a religion which defines all non Muslims as inferiors. The only way a Jew or Christian is allowed to live if they don’t convert is to pay a special tax and accept being an inferior second class citizen in the Muslim world. This is precisely the same reasoning that finds the notion of not only a Jew not paying tax and remaining inferior to a Muslim reprehensible but the very idea they could own land or have their own state and now gain this, makes us Harbis. India is a Harbi nation because of its Hinduism and Siekh prevalence. Mynammar-Burma, is a Harbi nation for being affiliated with Buddhism. The Christian sectors of the Philippines, Harbi controlled. Nigeria is seen by Boca Raton as half Harbi, i.e., all the non Muslim towns, cities, people. War is waged to this day in Sudan and Southern Sudan against animistic and Christian Sudanese. The same goes in in Niger, Chad, Dahomey, Mali, Senegal, Kenya, Somalia. Israel and any Jew who does not believe we should remain stateless and be subordinate to Muslims is considered Harbi. Israel’s very act of existing as a Jewishg state is the ultimate Harbi attack on Islam. However to a Muslim extremist fundamentalist, the Anglican nation of the United Kingdom, Protestant and Catholic associated states of Europe and Latin America-all Harbi abominations. The war Turkey engages in against Kurds, like the war Irag did and Iran still does is all about the Kurds being Harbi no different than Jews. The people who came on this thread to piss on Israel are the worst of bigots. This is why this thread is a joke. Its why Kactus doesn’t dare state he recognizes a Jewish state of Israel or will ever say a Jew has equal rights to a Muslim or vice versa. The very notion of saying this would condone Harbi behavior. This is why I call these contributors jihadi wannabe arm chair sofa pissantes. They think they have it all figured out. One is a Muslim and going to heaven and understands the true meaning or one is a Harbi, a loathsome enemy to be killed. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Well we can and have talked about the settlements, which you agree are a problem, but still you treat that as being anti-semetic and pissing on Israel. So at least ONE point has been brought up. The Palestinian Cause by definition is "antisemetic"...in the terminology of Wilhelm Marr...the word's creator. Edited September 11, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Palestinian Cause by definition is "antisemetic"...in the terminology of Wilhelm Marr...the word's creator. Old hat for you. Anything new?? Quote
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, GostHacked said: Well we can and have talked about the settlements, which you agree are a problem, but still you treat that as being anti-semetic and pissing on Israel. So at least ONE point has been brought up. I have never stated taking about the settlements on the West Bank being a problem was anti semitic. Provide the words where I said that. You again engage in the transparent exercise of falsely attributing words to me I never stated to try deflect from the fact that the response by Marcus is a pathetic canned script and does not prove racism. You also are not just lying about what I have stated on this forum, but don't have the integrity to admit the settlement conflict is not about racism. This is why you have zero credibility and the alleged name changes are hilarious. No matter what the name of the moment is, the syntax, the deflections, identical. Go on I have called you out as a liar. Provide the words where I said talking about settlements on the West Bank was anti-Semitic. One point that has been brought up is why I have called you an anti semitic bigot-I have provided the exact words you have used and the false allegations as well. For someone who told me to go back to Israel, you think you are going to misquote why you were exposed on this thread as a blatant Jew hater? You want to refer to yourself as a patient Jew again or parse some more words out of context, hmmm? Let me be as clear as I can get. Questioning the legality of settlements on the West Bank is not necessarily anti semitic. This thread and the comments by the anti semites on it is including your hateful comments and its a little late at this time in this thread for you to even begin to pretend the anti Jewish hatred you have shown and others have illustrated on this forum and in this and other threads, is simply about questioning West Bank settlements. You've used this technique now to try deflect from your hatred of Jews repeatedly. Does it look like it deflects from what you have placed on this board? Yah right, Altai is talking about settlements. This thread was about settlements. Sure. What a pathetic attempt to apologize for the excrement on this board and your role in condoning and cheering it on. 1 Quote
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Rue said: I have never stated taking about the settlements on the West Bank being a problem was anti semitic. Provide the words where I said that. So, let's talk about it? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: Old hat for you. Anything new?? WW2 ends the same way each time I recount THAT, as well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: WW2 ends the same way each time I recount THAT, as well. So, let's move forward? I know some of you are stuck in the past, but it's #currentyear. Let's get progressive baby! Quote
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: So, let's talk about it? There have been ad infinitum threads on it already that you have participated in. Knock off the bull shit. Stop trying to deflect from this failed thread's subject matter It's a little late for that. . Edited September 11, 2017 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, GostHacked said: So, let's move forward? I know some of you are stuck in the past, but it's #currentyear. Let's get progressive baby! Save it. Do the people pissing on Israel for existing as a Jewish state look like they will move on from that? How about you. You really want to pose now as someone who has moved passed his bigotry and is suddenly a saint who can talk about Jews without negative bull shit stereotypes? You spent any credibility you had long ago. Save the posing. The hood keeps sliding. Let's get progressive baby he utters. This coming from someone tellling me to to go back to Israel and get out of HIS country. This coming from someone who starts a thread with a title, and parsed quotes to deliberately infer all Jews are blood thirsty. This from someone trying to play good Jew bad Jew, by pretending he's a good and I am a bad one because I defend Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Yah man You're just one non stop legacy of progressive thoughts baby. Edited September 11, 2017 by Rue 1 Quote
Rue Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: Old hat for you. Anything new?? Anything new? You trying to deny history (ie., old hat) and then trying to re-write it (make it new) is in fact nothing new. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, GostHacked said: So, let's move forward? I know some of you are stuck in the past, but it's #currentyear. Let's get progressive baby! The Palestinian Cause hasn't changed. I will when they do. Seems fair. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 So I cannot win at all here. SO the notion is true, Rue treats everything Israel as anti-semetic. So save it Rue, you are not helping the conversation. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Posted September 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, GostHacked said: So I cannot win at all here. SO the notion is true, Rue treats everything Israel as anti-semetic. The Palestinian Cause was started by one of Hitler's Nazis that managed to evade the noose. That's pretty Jew-hatey to moi. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted September 12, 2017 Report Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, GostHacked said: So I cannot win at all here. SO the notion is true, Rue treats everything Israel as anti-semetic. So save it Rue, you are not helping the conversation. Depends what you mean by win. If you mean you can't come on this board and succeed in remaining unchallenged when engaging in anti Semitic references, yes. In regards to the second sentence your decision to repeat this false allegation without providing the proof by showing where I said this simply shows you are a repeat liar. In regards to your third sentence, I am gad you figured out I won' give you a match to light the cross on my lawn. Now try figure out what people like me do when you don't get the phack off our lawns. Oh go on now, guess. . Edited September 12, 2017 by Rue Quote
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