kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Time has not moved on for "aboriginals" or "visible minorities" in Canada....or people far across the ocean. Israel acts for nation state interest(s) just like Canada, but Canada smugly pretends to be virtuous and innocent of its many "war crimes". This is a non starter argument that you have always put on this forum to deflect from the topic. There is no moral equivalence to justify the crimes israel is already committing against the palestinians. Change has to start from somewhere...To make these comparisons will not achieve much.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Canada negotiated and then extended a free trade agreement with Israel decades ago....not Palestine: Quote The Government of the State of Israel and the Government of Canada: DESIRING to strengthen their economic relations and to promote economic development; WISHING to create a framework for promoting investment and cooperation; RESOLVED to foster the development of their trade with due regard to fair conditions of competition; RECALLING the mutual interest of the Government of the State of Israel and the Government of Canada in reinforcement of the multilateral trading system as reflected in the WTO; RECALLING that the Government of Canada and the Government of the State of Israel entered into a Memorandum of Understanding on September 27, 1976 which established a Joint Economic Commission, which was continued under a Memorandum of Understanding on Economic Cooperation entered into on August 5, 1993; WISHING to establish a free trade area between the two countries through the removal of trade barriers; DECLARING their readiness to explore other possibilities for extending their economic relations to other fields not covered territory means: (a) with respect to Canada the territory to which its customs laws apply, including any areas beyond the territorial seas of Canada within which, in accordance with international law and its domestic law, Canada may exercise rights with respect to the seabed and subsoil and their natural resources; (b) with respect to Israel the territory where its customs laws are applied; http://www.sice.oas.org/Trade/can-isr/text_e.asp Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 I see alot of people justifying what Israel does by pointing fingers at other arab countries or else where in the world. If you call yourself a civilised world as the cheerleaders of Israel constantly do by comparing Israel to the western standard then they should also act on it Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, kactus said: This is a non starter argument that you have always put on this forum to deflect from the topic. There is no moral equivalence to justify the crimes israel is already committing against the palestinians. Change has to start from somewhere...To make these comparisons will not achieve much.... Then start in Canada.....150 years old and still hosing its "PalestIndians". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, kactus said: I see alot of people justifying what Israel does by pointing fingers at other arab countries or else where in the world. If you call yourself a civilised world as the cheerleaders of Israel constantly do by comparing Israel to the western standard then they should also act on it That is the western standard.....military and economic power to support nation state interest(s). Why is Israel held to a different standard ? Because it is the Jewish state ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That is the western standard.....military and economic power to support nation state interest(s). Why is Israel held to a different standard ? Because it is the Jewish state ? Oh please you don't start that jewish state with me. One rue is enough to give me a headache don't need another one. What I sm saying is this: Israel pretends to act like a civilised country but in reality some of their policies vis a vis palestinians like illegal settlements is barbaric. The state of Israel is like what South Africa used to be segregating people in ghettos...Israel is not a democracy by definition but a quasi secretive military complex.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, kactus said: What I sm saying is this: Israel pretends to act like a civilised country but in reality some of their policies vis a vis palestinians like illegal settlements is barbaric. The state of Israel is like what South Africa used to be segregating people in ghettos...Israel is not a democracy by definition but a quasi secretive military complex.... South Africa imported its system of segregated reserves from.....drum roll please....CANADA ! Canada continues to occupy stolen "aboriginal" land, extract resources, pollute the environment, murder, incarcerate, and disenfranchise just as it has done for the past 150 years. Edited September 18, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: South Africa imported its system of segregated reserves from.....drum roll please....CANADA ! Canada continues to occupy stolen "aborinal" land, extract resources, pollute the environment, murder, incarcerate, and disenfranchise just as it has done for the past 150 years. You see what I mean. We always deflect the conversation to Canada.... And then there's Australia and it carries on...when are we ever gonna have a constructive objectivism? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, kactus said: You see what I mean. We always deflect the conversation to Canada.... And then there's Australia and it carries on...when are we ever gonna have a constructive objectivism? Why would Canada (or Australia / United States) be off limits to this discussion ? Why do Israel's critics refuse to be objective about Israel in the context of all nations, western or not ? Israel acts just as any other nation state has acted...today and in the past. Canadians cannot hide from their history and present by deflecting to Israel. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, kactus said: Oh please you don't start that jewish state with me. One rue is enough to give me a headache don't need another one. What I sm saying is this: Israel pretends to act like a civilised country but in reality some of their policies vis a vis palestinians like illegal settlements is barbaric. The state of Israel is like what South Africa used to be segregating people in ghettos...Israel is not a democracy by definition but a quasi secretive military complex.... The Arabs started the Arab-Israeli Wars...not the Israelis/Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I am talking about the past and present Canadian crimes that you want to ignore compared to Israel. Canada's domestic crimes against "aboriginals" and other "visible minorities" is so normalized, even the racist labels are accepted as appropriate. Canada's military crosses vast oceans to attack locals far away, and then the Canadian corporations move to pillage resources for fun and profit (e.g. mining, oil services). Let's go through the comparisons (Before you jump into your time travel machine, to try to compare Canada from centuries ago: This is about Canada's treatment of the natives vs Israel's treatment of Palestinians - TODAY and under our current rules and regulations): Which country has control over the movement of the people, through airspace control, checkpoints, border control?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country detains children indefinitely and tortures them?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country regularly bombs the 'other people' and kills them and destroys their infrastructure?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country forcefully confiscates property and resources and shuts the group from receiving any?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country has created zones, specifically for one group, not allowing the other group from entering it or using it?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes 1 Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Hudson Jones said: Let's go through the comparisons (Before you jump into your time travel machine, to try to compare Canada from centuries ago: This is about Canada's treatment of the natives vs Israel's treatment of Palestinians - TODAY and under our current rules and regulations): Centuries ago ? You clearly do not want to deal with much more recent and present day crimes against "aboriginals". Why is it so important to protect Canada's crimes compared to Israel ? Israel is the size of Vancouver Island...do I have to draw you a map ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Centuries ago ? You clearly do not want to deal with much more recent and present day crimes against "aboriginals". Why is it so important to protect Canada's crimes compared to Israel ? Israel is the size of Vancouver Island...do I have to draw you a map ? What crimes, that are more recent? Any of them compare to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for the past 5+ decades? These are crimes that continue today. I gave you a list. You are welcome to use it to respond. Here it is again: Let's go through the comparisons (Before you jump into your time travel machine, to try to compare Canada from centuries ago: This is about Canada's treatment of the natives vs Israel's treatment of Palestinians - TODAY and under our current rules and regulations): Which country has control over the movement of the people, through airspace control, checkpoints, border control?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country detains children indefinitely and tortures them?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country regularly bombs the 'other people' and kills them and destroys their infrastructure?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country forcefully confiscates property and resources and shuts the group from receiving any?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Which country has created zones, specifically for one group, not allowing the other group from entering it or using it?Canada: NoIsrael: Yes Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Hudson Jones said: What crimes, that are more recent? Any of them compare to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for the past 5+ decades? These are crimes that continue today. I gave you a list. You are welcome to use it to respond. More recent than what ? continued occupation of "aboriginal" land (as in TODAY) continued murder and incarceration of native people at alarming rates continued pollution of native land and water continued theft of natural resources for "The Crown" continued military missions in other nations, killing the locals continued sales of weapons systems and vehicles to other nations continued mining and oil services in third world nations regardless of local objections continued lack of sovereign statehood for "indigenous" nations continued economic and military alliance with other "criminal" nations Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Canada officially condemns the BDS movement: Quote Parliament has voted by a wide margin to condemn the growing international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign being waged against Israel for what is alleged to be the Jewish state's failure to accord equal rights to Arabs in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories. ...Mr. Kenney argued in the House that the new anti-Semitism "often takes the form of a kind of ideological fusion between movements of the extreme left and Islamist movements that seek, together, to obliterate the Jewish democratic State of Israel." https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/parliament-votes-to-reject-campaign-to-boycott-israel/article28863810/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com& Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More recent than what ? continued occupation of "aboriginal" land (as in TODAY) Really? Do we have non-native settlements? Do we have check points for natives only? There is no parallel there. Try again. 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: continued murder and incarceration of native people at alarming rates That's quite the reach. This is your comparison? Sorry. You failed in showing any parallel. 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: continued pollution of native land and water The pollution is on all lands and water. It's not strictly against natives. No parallel there. 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: continued theft of natural resources for "The Crown" Show me proof. 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: continued military missions in other nations, killing the locals continued sales of weapons systems and vehicles to other nations continued mining and oil services in third world nations regardless of local objections continued lack of sovereign statehood for "indigenous" nations continued economic and military alliance with other "criminal" nations The adventures around the world is a good topic to talk about. However, there is no equivalency between the treatment of Palestinians by Israel vs treatment of natives by Canada in here. Which is what you're trying to tell everyone. We can talk about the foreign policy in another thread. You first need to validate your ridiculous comparison. 1 Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said: The adventures around the world is a good topic to talk about. However, there is no equivalency between the treatment of Palestinians by Israel vs treatment of natives by Canada in here. Which is what you're trying to tell everyone. We can talk about the foreign policy in another thread. You first need to validate your ridiculous comparison. No...we will not separate Canada's foreign policy crimes for another thread. We will not ignore Canada's existing policies when discussing Israel and Palestine. We will not ignore the Canadian government's explicit rejection of the BDS movement. Proof for all of the above is easily found by anyone not running from Canada's past and present. Example: Canada’s prisons are the ‘new residential schools’ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/17/2017 at 10:03 PM, Rue said: Well now its a good thing we have Altai on this thread contributing salient insight as to the issues. Give us another Joo poem that should bring some salient insight as well. 1 Quote
Rue Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, kactus said: That's because time has moved on but apparently not in Israel and how they treat the semite arab cousins. Lol the ones you told Argus look different. You sure they were not mistaking "Arabs" for "Jooooooz"? Edited September 19, 2017 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Give us another Joo poem that should bring some salient insight as well. Again for someone who does not read my posts and can not be bothered to read what I write or as he suggests need to answer my words on this forum, look who is back seeking attention....lol you are one pathological masochist. I suppose any attention for you is better than none at all from me. Here you go./ no no no I don't read what you write um uh er ah well maybe not quite Rue must be a magic Joooish wand cuz I always keep feeling compelled to respond well I know I am being absurd but I can't allow Rue to have the last word my pathological obsession to put Jews in their place compels me to keep trying to get in Rue's face the more I respond I just can't seem to make sense maybe I should change my verb tense no matter what I write or say he just keeps getting his way he keeps getting me right in the gutt not to mention those bruises on my butt why does he feel he must make his poses when God damn it I am Pharoah to his Moses I demand he bow before his Master but he keeps turning it into a disaster just when I think I've dealt with his slime damn he comes up with another rhyme my Mama and Papa said Jews are no good but his kind have moved into my neighbourhood where I live Jews should not question I will give them commands never a suggestion to me a Jew is just a Yid see how high I get get my flared nostrils when I accuse Rue of ignoring the Apostles oh I know he is full of sin I was told by Mel Gibson oh but its time to switch this show I also need to insult a negro or is he just a Jew with dark skin but he could also be Alladin I better ask Altai and Kactus too could he be coloured and a Hebrew that explains why none of them behaves they all don't think they should be slaves imagine the nerve of not being my appendage like a pendant and assisting they be independent no no no this must stop please someone call a St. Louis cop ooh I hate Rue and gonna stare right at him and now I am finished with my tantrum Shalom goodbye yah yah this is the end well ok just until I feel another urge to offend. Edited September 19, 2017 by Rue Quote
kactus Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, Rue said: Lol the ones you told Argus look different. You sure they were not mistaking "Arabs" for "Jooooooz"? Wtf are you on about? Speak English. Oh wait it's not just your English...It's your incoherent babble and just making some noise. Quote
kactus Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rue said: Again for someone who does not read my posts and can not be bothered to read what I write or as he suggests need to answer my words on this forum, look who is back seeking attention....lol you are one pathological masochist. I suppose any attention for you is better than none at all from me. Here you go./ no no no I don't read what you write um uh er ah well maybe not quite Rue must have a magic wand cuz I keep feeling compelled to always respond well I know I am being absurd but I can't allow Rue to have the last word my pathological obsession to put Jews in their place compels me to keep trying to get in Rue's face the more I respond I just can't seem to make sense maybe I should change my verb tense no matter what I write or say he just keeps getting his way he keeps getting me right in the gutt not to mention those bruises on my butt why does he feel he must make his poses I am Pharoah to his Moses I demand he bow before his Master but he keeps turning it into a disaster just when I think I've dealt with his slime damn he comes up with another rhyme my Mama and Papa said Jews are no good I just hope I don't seem him in my neighbourhood cuz where I live Jews don't question I give them commands never a suggestion they must go and fetch my tea and I sure as hell don't pay them a fee see how high I get get my flared nostrils when I accuse Rue of ignoring the Apostles oh I know he is full of sin I was told by Mel Gibson oh but its time to switch this show I want to now insult a negro Stick to daytime job... Edited September 19, 2017 by kactus Quote
Rue Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, kactus said: Stick to daytime job... Why look at it took you 60 seconds to react. ..... ..and her come the Kafirs, its Ghost, he slides it up to Kactus-look out, they both fell down...and its Moses, to Abraham, to Dog to Adam to Rue he scores! ..what the heck just happened...Don?...you ask me these boys skate like they're on sand. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, kactus said: Stick to daytime job... The Arabs started the Arab Israeli War. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted September 19, 2017 Report Posted September 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, kactus said: Wtf are you on about? Speak English. Oh wait it's not just your English...It's your incoherent babble and just making some noise. Lol. Hang on. I know its a little bit too fast for you. No problem. Let me explain. Get your translator out. you stated Arabs were being mistreated by you know who the HEBREWS. So I responded: "Lol the ones (Joo, Arabs) you told Argus look different. " Then I said , "You sure they were not mistaking "Arabs" for "Jooooooz"? I refer to you as THEY because you refer to yourself many times in posts as we and you know, call me silly I could swear your English suddenly has mysteriously gotten worse in your posts-lol-thanks for that though,it helps me understand when you use the word "we" to refer to yourself, you don't mean you are ghost. Lol. Yes I was confused for a second what with the timing of your responses and the exact same sentences until suddenly you lost your command of written English in the last three posts or so. Lol. Still to difficult to follow. Speak English you say? Sure I can help you. Lets start with this sentence by you : "What I sm saying is this: Israel pretends to act be like a civilised civilized country but in reality some of their policies vis a vis pPalestinians like its policy on illegal settlements is barbaric. The state of Israel is like what South Africa used to be, segregating people in ghettos...Israel is not a democracy by definition but a quasi secretive military complex.... " 1. When writing English and using correct grammar don't use ......., use one dot for a period. 2. There iis no such word as "quasi secretive". If you use "quasi" before a word you then must use a hyphen which looks like this -, however secretive is like the word pregnant. You either are or are not secretive. Being a little but secretive is impossible. What you could be is periodically secretive or at times secretive. 3. Please watch your spelling mistakes people have scolded me to for that. 4 .In the state of Israel there are no laws like there were in South Africa that segregate people based on skin colour or any other criteria. 5. The fact Israel has a military does not mean it is a democracy. That is nonsensical keeping in mind you do live in a fantasy world where you deny and ignore things such as Israel's Knesset which elects through open free elections MUSLIM Israelis to be members of the Knesset including Muslim Israelis who stand up in the Knesset demanding it disband itself. If you need any further English assistance go to ESL or just have Ghost write your responses. Hah. I am funny. Quote
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