hot enough Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: What's a little Jihad next to the wonders of Middle Eastern cooking? But the thing is you are so wildly off the mark. The US planned a genocide in Iraq and it followed thru murdering over a million people when there was absolutely no reason to do so. Only the deepest of evil people plan a genocide to kill a million children. Muslims have not done anything remotely close to that, and the US genocide in Iraq was followed up by illegal invasions that slaughtered another one or more million people. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, TTM said: Thousands? Millions? Couldn't say, I'm not a historian. So your answer is that Jesus personally murdered millions of people? Where was that again? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 6 hours ago, dialamah said: Del Shannon?? Quote
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: So your answer is that Jesus personally murdered millions of people? Where was that again? Read my post. I said in his name Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, TTM said: Read my post. I said in his name That's not the question. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Islam is a religion and is not free from criticism...no matter your desire for blasphemy laws to protect it above my personal freedom. Fanatacism is dangerous with or without religion. You'd have to be quite dull, unstable or brainwashed by sociopaths to follow ANY religion's texts literally, in my opinion. And you'd have to be fanatic to slog through them to cherry-pick literal bits to use to smear all who practice that religion, to incite hatred against them. Edited September 4, 2017 by jacee 2 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, jacee said: Fanatacism is dangerous with or without religion. You'd have to be quite dull, unstable or brainwashed by sociopaths to follow ANY religion's texts literally, in my opinion. And you'd have to be fanatic to slog through them to cherry-pick literal bits to use to smear all who practice that religion, to incite hatred against them. You're free to try and get those blasphemy laws cemented into criminal law and then use said laws to throw me in jail. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 The answer is zero, so far as we know. I asked why it matters Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, TTM said: The answer is zero, so far as we know. I asked why it matters Correct...zero according to sources. How many did Mohammad murder? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, TTM said: So the current and historical crimes of committed in the names of other religions are OK because their religious texts are slightly nicer? We're not talking about the texts. You said, quite correctly I think, that such particulars do not matter. Interpretations are the only things that matter. Quote
hot enough Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, TTM said: Thousands? Millions? Couldn't say, I'm not a historian. It's in the tens of millions just for the USA just since WWII. Then there's England, France, the Netherlands, ... . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: It's in the tens of millions just for the USA just since WWII. Then there's England, France, the Netherlands, ... . Takes the troother's suggestion that the USA is 300 million Christians under advisement. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, TTM said: The answer is zero, so far as we know. I asked why it matters 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Correct...zero according to sources. How many did Mohammad murder? Well? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: We're not talking about the texts. You said, quite correctly I think, that such particulars do not matter. Interpretations are the only things that matter. We seem to more or less agree. My mistake then. Quote
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Well? Couldn't say. Not really relevant as the statute of limitations has passed. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, TTM said: Couldn't say. Not really relevant as the statute of limitations has passed. It's fun to defend Islam, isn't it? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 btw...there are no statutes of limitations on murder if I'm not mistaken. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: btw...there are no statutes of limitations on murder if I'm not mistaken. Posthumous prosecution? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, TTM said: Posthumous prosecution? I note your lack of resolve. I have you on the ropes...would you like to be let-up? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, TTM said: We seem to more or less agree. My mistake then. Well, my point was that it's okay to discuss religions individually, based on current performance. I don't see a problem with that, and I think it does a disservice to some religions to lump them in with others, when, over the years, some have overcome their tendency towards literal interpretation rather more than others. Quote
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: I note your lack of resolve. I have you on the ropes...would you like to be let-up? Lack of resolve ... oh, you mean my amused bewilderment? I recognise the point you are trying to make. It's wasted effort ... your aim is askew. 1 Quote
TTM Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Well, my point was that it's okay to discuss religions individually, based on current performance. I don't see a problem with that, and I think it does a disservice to some religions to lump them in with others, when, over the years, some have overcome their tendency towards literal interpretation rather more than others. Right, but it is is not the religion (as in the fixed texts) that changed, but the culture around it and hence the interpretation (or better yet, lack of) of that religion Quote
hot enough Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, TTM said: Posthumous prosecution? It appears so, from 632AD. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, TTM said: Lack of resolve ... oh, you mean my amused bewilderment? I recognise the point you are trying to make. It's wasted effort ... your aim is askew. So how many did Mohammad murder personally? How about rape? Child molestation? If I'm gonna respect the preferred cult at the threat of imprisonment, I'd at least like to be clear on who we're all supporting and what he did according to Islam's own history. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TTM said: Right, but it is is not the religion (as in the fixed texts) that changed, but the culture around it and hence the interpretation (or better yet, lack of) of that religion Well, a book never hurt anyone, unless someone else hit them with it. Edited September 4, 2017 by bcsapper Quote
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