Refugee crisis escalating

[capricorn]

6 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I am with you. Something does not seem right with all this.  How are they getting to the USA/CAN border? How did they get into the USA? Who is helping them come here? There are many questions.

All good question GostHacked. Watching Ralph Goodale now on Power and Politics. It appears some "irregular" refugee claimants have arrived at the border with fake documents. Goodale alluded to the fact the feds are looking at the possibility of human trafficking. Just "alluding", not being clear and straightforward as has been the case with Liberals on this file.

There was also an incident of a box of confidential documents disappearing from the temporary CBSA office at the Lacolle border. This thing is looking like a mickey mouse operation which could explode in Trudeau's face.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/08/17/saint-bernard-de-lacolle-des-documents-confidentiels-disparaissent-a-la-frontiere

[Spiderfish]

10 minutes ago, Omni said:

Sufficient to respond to your comment. All you really tried to do was name call JT.

Cowardice is a trait based on observable demonstration, an example of which I referenced.

[Spiderfish]

12 minutes ago, capricorn said:

All good question GostHacked. Watching Ralph Goodale now on Power and Politics. It appears some "irregular" refugee claimants have arrived at the border with fake documents.

That's not all some of them have arrived with...

Refugee claimants found in possession of child porn at Quebec border

Irregular indeed...

Edited August 21, 2017 by Spiderfish

[GostHacked]

36 minutes ago, Argus said:

When Afghanistan was invaded Osama bin Laden had ten thousand fighters gathered there. So yes, it absolutely was justified after bin laden attacked the WTC. Iraq was questionable. I believe at the time it was justified as a nation-building exercise. Unfortunately, the Americans screwed the pooch, as they say. They had no coherent plan for what to do after they won. Idiots. Thus they won the war and lost the peace. I believe Iraq is better off in the long run, and I believe a civil war was inevitable when Hussein died, but things could have been so much better.

Right, and heaviuly funded by the Saudis. 17/19 were Saudi nationals. And the there was no civil war, it was two factions pitted against each other from outside sources.  Saudi Arabia on one side and Iran on the other.  Same thing in Syria, it's not a civil war, never was.

And yes the invasion if Iraq was questionable at best.  Yellow cake? Never happend.  Babies thrown out of incubators? Never happened. The war/invasion was sold to the American public based on 100% lies. I mean they still have not found those pesky WMDs.

Nation building was not part of the plan. And the war is far from over as the US and Iraqi forces are still trying to push out ISIS.

[Omni]

12 minutes ago, Spiderfish said:

Cowardice is a trait based on observable demonstration, an example of which I referenced.

Nothing to do with cowardice. You may disagree with his policy, but simply hurling an insult only undermines the validity of your comment.

[bush_cheney2004]

It costs about $500 US plus other fees for a Haitian refugee to get a work permit in the United States, with no guarantee of a TPS extension past 2017.

So if you are a refugee with an uncertain future, and Canada's PM brags about how inviting and inclusive things are north of the border,  that money might better be used for transportation to the Canadian promised land.   It will at least buy more time as claims grind through Canada's constipated residency process.

A Haitian woman in Florida explained that such illegal actions are rational for any human being forced to choose between bad or worse options.    She may very well end up back in Haiti, but there is no reason to rush that as long as other delays/diversions are possible in the U.S. or Canada.

 

[Spiderfish]

37 minutes ago, Omni said:

Nothing to do with cowardice. You may disagree with his policy, but simply hurling an insult only undermines the validity of your comment.

...says the person who infers that disagreeing with current immigration and refugee policy makes one a racist.  Your comment has been deemed invalid, thanks for playing.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, Spiderfish said:

...says the person who infers that disagreeing with current immigration and refugee policy makes one a racist.  Your comment has been deemed invalid, thanks for playing.

 

8 minutes ago, Spiderfish said:

...says the person who infers that disagreeing with current immigration and refugee policy makes one a racist.  Your comment has been deemed invalid, thanks for playing.

Deemed invalid....by you. Yep, thanks for playing.

[GostHacked]

4 hours ago, capricorn said:

All good question GostHacked. Watching Ralph Goodale now on Power and Politics. It appears some "irregular" refugee claimants have arrived at the border with fake documents. Goodale alluded to the fact the feds are looking at the possibility of human trafficking.

Looks like CBC is on that as well. I guess those numbers could not cross without a lot of help from somewhere.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/goodale-asylum-human-smuggling-1.4256312

[Argus]

So here's what the brain dead Liberal government is planning to do to diffuse our refugee crisis. They're going to send a Haitian refugee who is now an MP with the Liberal party down to Miami to explain to the Haitians there that, well, yes, he went to Canada as a refugee and now he's a rich member of the government, but they shouldn't do that because it's possible that they might be rejected. I like how the reporter calls it "The cold reality" that only half of them are accepted. Of course, she neglects to mention those rejected rarely just leave. Instead they go through years of appeals, and then finally disappear into the streets. 

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/haitian-canadian-mp-heads-to-miami-to-address-would-be-asylum-seekers

[Peter F]

27 minutes ago, Argus said:

Of course, she neglects to mention those rejected rarely just leave. Instead they go through years of appeals, and then finally disappear into the streets. 

There is no need to mention it. It's a given and will remain a given as long as the disparity in wealth between the dirt poor and the rich exist. That is the cold reality. There aint shit the liberals can do about it either - or any other party for that matter. As long as the disparity exists then illegal immigration will exist. 

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, Peter F said:

There is no need to mention it. It's a given and will remain a given as long as the disparity in wealth between the dirt poor and the rich exist. That is the cold reality. There aint shit the liberals can do about it either - or any other party for that matter. As long as the disparity exists then illegal immigration will exist. 

And there are the odd flake around who think building some sort of wall will somehow remedy the issue.

[Rue]

16 hours ago, Omni said:

 

Deemed invalid....by you. Yep, thanks for playing.

You really think this continuous posing as a righteous saint on the board is not worn?  Enough. Either debate what he said or stop posing its still a toilet seat not a throne you sit on and you need to flush.

 

[Rue]

27 minutes ago, Omni said:

And there are the odd flake around who think building some sort of wall will somehow remedy the issue.

You again speak in extremes. Its a liberal tactic that if someone  has concerns about how we control the flow of migration it automatically to you means walls and racism. Its how you pose opinions other than your own and you pose issues inclcuding immigration into black and white extreme options.

Trudeau is engaging in exactly what you do. He's painted himself into the corner with his extreme statements that do not give him a way out of the immigration crisis he started because his open borders comment sets him up for liberal failure if he limits any movement coming in,

 

Edited August 22, 2017 by Rue

[Omni]

16 minutes ago, Rue said:

You really think this continuous posing as a righteous saint on the board is not worn?  Enough. Either debate what he said or stop posing its still a toilet seat not a throne you sit on and you need to flush.

 

I'll leave you to discuss things at such a level thanks.

[marcus]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

So here's what the brain dead Liberal government is planning to do to diffuse our refugee crisis. They're going to send a Haitian refugee who is now an MP with the Liberal party down to Miami to explain to the Haitians there that, well, yes, he went to Canada

He's not Haitian. He is Somali. Different countries. Different parts of the world. 

He was also designated as a refugee by the UN before landing in Canada and then selected to be taken in.

[Rue]

17 minutes ago, Omni said:

I'll leave you to discuss things at such a level thanks.

No you have me confused. I don't believe in potty seats.  

Edited August 22, 2017 by Rue

[Omni]

14 minutes ago, Rue said:

-this idiotic notion you just open the borders as he said, of course would create the avalanche it did.

Try reading sections 34-37 of our IRPA. You'll find we have some of the toughest immigration laws in the western world.

[Rue]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

Try reading sections 34-37 of our IRPA. You'll find we have some of the toughest immigration laws in the western world.

Try understanding how  creating an open door avalanche of illegal migrants coming to Canada renders the above a joke. Oh go on try. Let loose on that throne of yours just once. Part of potty training is knowing when to let go of bullshit.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

Try understanding how  creating an open door avalanche of illegal migrants coming to Canada renders the above a joke. Oh go on try. Let loose on that throne of yours just once. Part of potty training is knowing when to let go of bullshit.

Then you should hasten your training by reading up the items I suggested for you.

[Argus]

56 minutes ago, Peter F said:

There is no need to mention it. It's a given and will remain a given as long as the disparity in wealth between the dirt poor and the rich exist. That is the cold reality. There aint shit the liberals can do about it either - or any other party for that matter. As long as the disparity exists then illegal immigration will exist. 

There is lots that can be done. We can arrest them at the border, put them into guarded camps, give them a quicky hearing, then forcibly deport them.

[Argus]

21 minutes ago, marcus said:

He's not Haitian. He is Somali. Different countries. Different parts of the world. 

He was also designated as a refugee by the UN before landing in Canada and then selected to be taken in.

 

A successful Haitian refugee in a fancy suit is not going to discourage Haitians from going to Canada on the off chance they might eventually be rejected.

Haitian-Canadian MP Emmanuel Dubourg will travel to Miami on Wednesday to try and counter misinformation which has driven thousands of Haitian asylum seekers to Canada in recent months.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/haitian-canadian-mp-heads-to-miami-to-address-would-be-asylum-seekers

[AngusThermopyle]

41 minutes ago, marcus said:

He's not Haitian. He is Somali. Different countries. Different parts of the world. 

He was also designated as a refugee by the UN before landing in Canada and then selected to be taken in.

No, he's Haitian, please do read the linked article before commenting. They are not sending the Minister of Immigration, who is Somalian. This person is an entirely different person.

What I find interesting in the article is what is not explicitly said. That is, and it's quite obvious, that the Liberals are now engaging in a furious damage control exercise. It appears that what most sensible people could clearly see is now finally dawning on the Liberals. That is that virtue signalling and self righteous attitudes can have entirely predictable and harmfull effects. Sadly our PM is just not smart enough to see that himself.

[Hydraboss]

2 hours ago, Omni said:

Try reading sections 34-37 of our IRPA. You'll find we have some of the toughest immigration laws in the western world.

Which this government ignores.

Laws are only worth the paper they're written on when they are enforced.  Just google "Article 3, 772.3.6 Petrolia" for example.  Justin and his happy band of feel-gooders have turned our "toughest immigration laws in the western world" into a huge joke. 

 

"Walking over the border illegally?  Tsk, tsk.  Here's some money, healthcare, a place to stay and more money.  Thanks for coming in against the law.

Sincerely,

The Liberal Party of Canada"

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, Hydraboss said:

Which this government ignores.

Laws are only worth the paper they're written on when they are enforced.  Just google "Article 3, 772.3.6 Petrolia" for example.  Justin and his happy band of feel-gooders have turned our "toughest immigration laws in the western world" into a huge joke. 

 

"Walking over the border illegally?  Tsk, tsk.  Here's some money, healthcare, a place to stay and more money.  Thanks for coming in against the law.

Sincerely,

The Liberal Party of Canada"

And roughly half of them get deported because they do not qualify under the terms of the immigration requirements mentioned.