America turning FEWER people at the border since Trump became President

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/fewer-canadian-travellers-blocked-at-u-s-land-border

I feel bad, because I was caught up in anecdotal stories about people getting turned away for no reason. 

We have organizations like the Girl Guides and the Toronto District School Board cancelling trips to the US because they fear some minority person getting singled out by the evil Trump fuelled border patrolman. 

Clearly there is absolutely no evidence this is happening. The media made this a story by focusing on anecdotes and blaming it on Trump's attempt to have travel bans to other country. They should be ashamed of themselves. 

The Canadian media party(Global/CTV/CBC)are a classless bunch. The media party continues to involve itself in their joint hatred with the American liberal fake media of constantly trying to always demonize Trump. The phony and fake media in this country should mind their own business when it comes to Trump. We have a PM that is trying to destroy Canada, and the media stays quiet. The Canadian media have no shame. 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Fine. But any organization that cancels trips to the US because of anecdotal stories are being reactionary and stupid. 

Indeed. If some organization is concerned about one of it's members than call the American immigration department then call them up and ask a question. I am pretty sure that kids belonging to the Girl Guides will not be turned away even if one or two of them don't look like the rest of the girls on the bus. Some organizations are stupid indeed. 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, hot enough said:

Says the lady who plumps for and wildly supports US war crimes and terrorism. 

And Canada went along with it, and even joined the party. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, hot enough said:

I guess you are right - who would ever believe anything Trump says. Just the fact that Trump said what he has said, multiple times, is a good enough reason for any sane person to not want to go anywhere near the joint. resent. 

Then you go right back to what, your raw data as support for your own admission that it has no extant validity.

Well, I guess that by your words you will be not travelling in the near future to Trump's America then, eh? I hear that Inuvik is suppose to be a nice place to visit. 

You said "And what adult would ever risk the chance of a Muslim/brown skinned child under their care being taken away for interrogation, most assuredly without a guardian being present". Such silly words.   

[Wilber]

31 minutes ago, taxme said:

Indeed. If some organization is concerned about one of it's members than call the American immigration department then call them up and ask a question. I am pretty sure that kids belonging to the Girl Guides will not be turned away even if one or two of them don't look like the rest of the girls on the bus. Some organizations are stupid indeed. 

It's not what you look like, it's what your documents say.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wanna cross the U.S. border...then get your poop in a group.   Same goes for Americans traveling to Canada.

It is an international border...not your neighbour's back yard fence.

Always be prepared to be turned away, because it can happen for any reason or no reason at all.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

I think it is when it comes to groups involving kids. While there is this uncertainty, people just aren't willing to take the chance of having one or two kids stuck at the border. I wouldn't want to if I was responsible for twenty or thirty other peoples kids.

But that risk always existed. There's no evidence that Trump is making it more likely 

[Wilber]

25 minutes ago, Boges said:

But that risk always existed. There's no evidence that Trump is making it more likely 

He is trying to make it more likely if you or your parents were born in the wrong place. So far the courts are balking but that could change overnight.

Edited March 28, 2017 by Wilber

[Boges]

13 minutes ago, Wilber said:

He is trying to make it more likely if you or your parents were born in the wrong place. So far the courts are balking but that could change overnight.

How so? Seems it's a dead deal. 

And even if it was law it would be for other countries, not Canadians crossing from Canada with a Canadian passport. 

[Wilber]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

How so? Seems it's a dead deal. 

And even if it was law it would be for other countries, not Canadians crossing from Canada with a Canadian passport. 

I'm not sure it is a dead deal by any means. So if they are just landed immigrants and don't yet have citizenship they are SOL. I take it you would be OK with escorting a bunch of 12 year olds across the border without their parents being available.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, Wilber said:

I'm not sure it is a dead deal by any means. So if they are just landed immigrants and don't yet have citizenship they are SOL.

 

As well they should be...U.S. border entry chances should not be enhanced just because of group travel, regardless of age.

[Boges]

10 hours ago, Wilber said:

I'm not sure it is a dead deal by any means. So if they are just landed immigrants and don't yet have citizenship they are SOL. I take it you would be OK with escorting a bunch of 12 year olds across the border without their parents being available.

If they did it last year, doesn't seem anything has changed this year if you look at the numbers. Less people are being refused. 

[Wilber]

It's about who is being targeted, if the bullseye has moved and you are in it, you won't care what the total is.

 

[hot enough]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

As well they should be...U.S. border entry chances should not be enhanced just because of group travel, regardless of age.

Yeaya, them there girl scouts could have bombs strapped to their enseegniahs!

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

It's about who is being targeted, if the bullseye has moved and you are in it, you won't care what the total is.

People from Canada aren't being targeted. Profiling Muslims is nothing new. Certainly not since Trump became president. 

And again the stats indicate people aren't being turned away in droves. MORE people are actually visiting. 

[hot enough]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

People from Canada aren't being targeted. Profiling Muslims is nothing new. Certainly not since Trump became president. 

Exactly. Profiling Muslims is being done for racist reasons. And yes, US officials [can one refer to war criminals as "officials"] have been profiling, harassing and murdering Muslims ever since the phony 911 event. 

[Wilber]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

People from Canada aren't being targeted. Profiling Muslims is nothing new. Certainly not since Trump became president. 

And again the stats indicate people aren't being turned away in droves. MORE people are actually visiting. 

People coming from outside the US are being targeted, regardless of the country they are entering from. The big thing here is the uncertainty regarding people who may have originated in the targeted countries regardless of where they now live. Has the possibility never occurred to you that fewer people are being rejected because those people are now just not even trying to enter the US because of that uncertainty? 

[hot enough]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

And Canada went along with it, and even joined the party. 

Yes, that is true, Canada has supported many of the US's myriad war crimes and terrorism. So why is there so much silence regarding this?

[Boges]

50 minutes ago, Wilber said:

People coming from outside the US are being targeted, regardless of the country they are entering from. The big thing here is the uncertainty regarding people who may have originated in the targeted countries regardless of where they now live. Has the possibility never occurred to you that fewer people are being rejected because those people are now just not even trying to enter the US because of that uncertainty? 

That's just conjecture. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy if you think people are going to be rejected in droves so you don't bother trying to cross. But the numbers say people aren't being turned away. 

Seems people are crossing just fine, except for a handful of anecdotal examples. One being a bunch of White Christians trying to provide relief for a Natural Disaster that happened 5 years ago. 

Edited March 28, 2017 by Boges

[Wilber]

33 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's just conjecture. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy if you think people are going to be rejected in droves so you don't bother trying to cross. But the numbers say people aren't being turned away. 

Seems people are crossing just fine, except for a handful of anecdotal examples. One being a bunch of White Christians trying to provide relief for a Natural Disaster that happened 5 years ago. 

It may well be but it is the uncertainty surrounding Trump's policies that is causing it.  People can't be turned away if they don't show up and if they don't show up they aren't part of your statistic. All you are pointing to is a .01% reduction in the rate. You have no clue why that reduction is happening. It is reasonable to assume that at least some of it is due to people not even trying to cross if they think they might be rejected. If they want to buy a cheap non refundable plane ticket or live a good distance from the border they might not want to take the chance. They might also not want to take the chance of being put on a list of those having been rejected, which might cause them problems in the future. 

Edited March 28, 2017 by Wilber

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

It may well be but it is the uncertainty surrounding Trump's policies that are causing it.  People can't be turned away if they don't show up and if they don't show up they aren't part of your statistic. All you are pointing to is a .01% reduction in the rate. You have no clue why that reduction is happening. It is reasonable to assume that at least some of it is due to people not even trying to cross if they think they might be rejected. If they want to buy a cheap non refundable plane ticked or live a good distance from the border they might not want to take the chance. They might also not want to take the chance of being put on a list of those having been rejected, which might cause them problems in the future. 

I would agree, if there was actual evidence it WAS! happening. People are streaming across the border now, for a variety of reasons. When the story of the lady in Montreal came out, I was thinking that the US better not restrict their borders or tourism will plummet. But apparently they aren't restricting their borders like people fear. 

But this is another circular argument. You can't prove that Trump's policies are making it harder to get into the US from Canada. So you just say that we think his policies may effect them so then they will because we won't bother trying. It's just political posturing. 

[Wilber]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

I would agree, if there was actual evidence it WAS! happening. People are streaming across the border now, for a variety of reasons. When the story of the lady in Montreal came out, I was thinking that the US better not restrict their borders or tourism will plummet. But apparently they aren't restricting their borders like people fear. 

But this is another circular argument. You can't prove that Trump's policies are making it harder to get into the US from Canada. So you just say that we think his policies may effect them so then they will because we won't bother trying. It's just political posturing. 

It doesn't matter what the evidence is, a lack of evidence means nothing to Trump and his supporters so why are you surprised if people listen to what he says and decide not to try and cross the border as a result. I don't have to prove anything, I am just presenting some reasons why the rejection rate might be down slightly. You haven't presented any.

Perception is Everything

[Boges]

Just now, Wilber said:

It doesn't matter what the evidence is, a lack of evidence means nothing to Trump and his supporters so why are you surprised if people listen to what he says and decide not to try and cross the border as a result. I don't have to prove anything, I am just presenting some reasons why the rejection rate might be down slightly. You haven't presented any.

Perception is Everything

Well maybe the border patrol people are actually following the law and not some abstract idea that Trump is instructing border control people to turn away more minorities across the Canadian border. 

[Wilber]

Just now, Boges said:

Well maybe the border patrol people are actually following the law and not some abstract idea that Trump is instructing border control people to turn away more minorities across the Canadian border. 

Let's hope so.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Wilber said:

People coming from outside the US are being targeted, regardless of the country they are entering from. The big thing here is the uncertainty regarding people who may have originated in the targeted countries regardless of where they now live. Has the possibility never occurred to you that fewer people are being rejected because those people are now just not even trying to enter the US because of that uncertainty? 

 

Then the fake news media has done its job and helped President Trump with his entry ban goals.  Existing individuals with prior risk profiles and new ones should seek travel enjoyment elsewhere.    Playing the U.S. border entry game has gotten harder, and that was before Trump ever became president.   Foreign nationals who are admissible and don't illegally overstay will usually gain entry without any issues.

Edited March 28, 2017 by bush_cheney2004