America turning FEWER people at the border since Trump became President

[Boges]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/fewer-canadian-travellers-blocked-at-u-s-land-border

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OTTAWA — Fewer Canadians are being turned away at the U.S. land border in recent months despite mounting concerns that Donald Trump’s immigration policies are making it much harder to cross, The Canadian Press has learned.

Refusals of Canadians at American land crossings dropped 8.5 per cent between October and the end of February compared with the same five-month period a year earlier, according to U.S. government statistics.

The total number of Canadian travellers denied entry also dropped: 6,875 out of 12,991,027 were refused entry, a refusal rate of 0.05 per cent.

Between October 2015 and February 2016, 7,619 out of 13,173,100 Canadian travellers were denied entry to the U.S., a refusal rate of 0.06 per cent.

 

I feel bad, because I was caught up in anecdotal stories about people getting turned away for no reason. 

We have organizations like the Girl Guides and the Toronto District School Board cancelling trips to the US because they fear some minority person getting singled out by the evil Trump fuelled border patrolman. 

Clearly there is absolutely no evidence this is happening. The media made this a story by focusing on anecdotes and blaming it on Trump's attempt to have travel bans to other country. They should be ashamed of themselves. 

Edited March 27, 2017 by Boges

[hot enough]

Your conclusions are not necessarily accurate ones. Raw numbers do not tell the story. 

[Boges]

12 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Your conclusions are not necessarily accurate ones. Raw numbers do not tell the story. 

There's certainly no evidence that any of Trump's Policy's are keeping Canadians out of the US because of their race or religion. 

Saying that less people are being turned away because they get their bleep in order before trying to cross is probably a good thing. 

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

There's certainly no evidence that any of Trump's Policy's are keeping Canadians out of the US because of their race or religion. 

Saying that less people are being turned away because they get their bleep in order before trying to cross is probably a good thing. 

Again, raw numbers can't and won't show that. That was my only point. 

[Boges]

Just now, hot enough said:

Again, raw numbers can't and won't show that. That was my only point. 

Fine. But any organization that cancels trips to the US because of anecdotal stories are being reactionary and stupid. 

[bush_cheney2004]

30 minutes ago, Boges said:

I feel bad, because I was caught up in anecdotal stories about people getting turned away for no reason. 

 

 

Don't feel bad...it was "fake news".

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Fine. But any organization that cancels trips to the US because of anecdotal stories are being reactionary and stupid. 

Not at all. Yours is, by your own admission, the anecdotal part. And you are trying to downplay the racist, Islamaphobic rants of the prez of the US.

Those were people who heard that same Prez of the USA say those words. Out of respect for people of the same group that Trump maligns, I wouldn't think of putting young children into that hotbed of hatred. 

[hot enough]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Don't feel bad...it was "fake news".

Says the lady who plumps for and wildly supports US war crimes and terrorism. 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Not at all. Yours is, by your own admission, the anecdotal part. And you are trying to downplay the racist, Islamaphobic rants of the prez of the US.

Those were people who heard that same Prez of the USA say those words. Out of respect for people of the same group that Trump maligns, I wouldn't think of putting young children into that hotbed of hatred. 

That's not the reason organizations are giving for cancelling trips. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Says the lady who plumps for and wildly supports US war crimes and terrorism. 

 

Off topic...please start another hate filled thread if needed.

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's not the reason organizations are giving for cancelling trips. 

And this matters how?

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

And this matters how?

Because the narrative is that people will be turned away at the border simply because of their race or religion. See the Girl Guides and TDSB stories. 

Yet there is no solid evidence that this is the case. UNLESS the US is insidiously rejecting minorities at a higher rate but making up for it by letting in more whites just to skew the raw figures. 

Turns out tourism from Canada is not being effected by Trump at all.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Boges

[dialamah]

The article itself gives reasons that directly reflect the harder stance Trump has taken - people being more careful in their paperwork or just choosing not to go to the States.   The article does not support the OP implication that Canadians' concerns about crossing the border are unwarranted.  

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Because the narrative is that people will be turned away at the border simply because of their race or religion. See the Girl Guides and TDSB stories. 

Yet there is no solid evidence that this is the case. UNLESS the US is insidiously rejecting minorities at a higher rate but making up for it by letting in more whites just to skew the raw figures. 

Turns out tourism from Canada is not being effected by Trump at all.

I guess you are right - who would ever believe anything Trump says. Just the fact that Trump said what he has said, multiple times, is a good enough reason for any sane person to not want to go anywhere near the joint. And what adult would ever risk the chance of a Muslim/brown skinned child under their care being taken away for interrogation, most assuredly without a guardian being present. 

Then you go right back to what, your raw data as support for your own admission that it has no extant validity.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The article itself gives reasons that directly reflect the harder stance Trump has taken - people being more careful in their paperwork or just choosing not to go to the States.   The article does not support the OP implication that Canadians' concerns about crossing the border are unwarranted.  

 

Nevertheless, the U.S. border entry rate for Canadians has increased, regardless of any traffic volume changes, compared to a similar period in the prior year (Obama Administration).  

[hot enough]

Source.

If it is true, it probably reflects people wanting to see the foolishness of the US for themselves. Whites can blend in and watch this farce, this low comedy, this cheap burlesque unfold before their eyes.

[Boges]

28 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The article itself gives reasons that directly reflect the harder stance Trump has taken - people being more careful in their paperwork or just choosing not to go to the States.   The article does not support the OP implication that Canadians' concerns about crossing the border are unwarranted.  

People should be getting their affairs inorder before crossing the border, Trump or Not.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

If it is true, it probably reflects people wanting to see the foolishness of the US for themselves. Whites can blend in and watch this farce, this low comedy, this cheap burlesque unfold before their eyes.

 

Canadians have been flocking to the USA in large numbers for generations.   Far more Canadians travel to the U.S. than do Americans going to Canada each year, and the USA has ten times the population.   Crossing the U.S. border is considered by some to be a Canadian right, but it isn't.

 

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The total number of Canadian travellers denied entry also dropped: 6,875 out of 12,991,027 were refused entry, a refusal rate of 0.05 per cent.

Between October 2015 and February 2016, 7,619 out of 13,173,100 Canadian travellers were denied entry to the U.S., a refusal rate of 0.06 per cent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-us-border-fewer-refusal-customs-protection-travel-1.4041804

 

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

People should be getting their affairs inorder before crossing the border, Trump or Not.

Papers please! Are you perhaps Muslim, a brown-skinned devil from one of the countries we have illegally invaded, one of the countries from which we have been stealing since the 1920s? If not do have any connection to those brown skinned devils? Do you think we had no right to steal, rape and murder? I can see it in your eyes. [stamps passport] Go back where you came from! 

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

People should be getting their affairs inorder before crossing the border, Trump or Not.

Yeah sure.  But there used to be a sense that we were trusted 'friends' and could just drop by, so to speak.  I think that's gone now and it is because of Trump's policies.   It's nicer to be friends with neighbors, rather than suspicious and wary.

[hot enough]

There are loads of Canucks who are ignorant/naive about the US. If they knew, there would still be those who support the war crimes and the terrorism and it would make no difference to them, they would still visit Germany. 

[bush_cheney2004]

 

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Yeah sure.  But there used to be a sense that we were trusted 'friends' and could just drop by, so to speak.  I think that's gone now and it is because of Trump's policies.   It's nicer to be friends with neighbors, rather than suspicious and wary.

 

Just like Canada, the U.S. doesn't want any more Canadian illegals, overstays, drug dealers, smugglers, murderers, etc.   We even had a Canadian diplomat's sons involved in a drug deal robbery and murder in Miami.   

Canadians routinely get three or ten year entry bans for violations of visa laws....long before Trump came along.   

"Trusted friends"....yeah...right.

 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Yeah sure.  But there used to be a sense that we were trusted 'friends' and could just drop by, so to speak.  I think that's gone now and it is because of Trump's policies.   It's nicer to be friends with neighbors, rather than suspicious and wary.

But the numbers say his policies aren't affecting the numbers. The media has created this narrative, not any basis in actual fact. If you have your passport, you should be fine. 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, hot enough said:

There are loads of Canucks who are ignorant/naive about the US. If they knew, there would still be those who support the war crimes and the terrorism and it would make no difference to them, they would still visit Germany. 

 

Has nothing to do with war crimes....Canadians have long desired travel to the U.S. for many reasons.  

The U.S. border is a political, physical, cultural, and psychological boundary for Canadians and the Canadian identity.   Being denied entry is a reminder that Canada is not and never will be the United States, and all the good or bad things that entails.

Many Canadians want easier, faster access to the USA, just like Mexicans do.

Edited March 27, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[Wilber]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

That's not the reason organizations are giving for cancelling trips. 

I think it is when it comes to groups involving kids. While there is this uncertainty, people just aren't willing to take the chance of having one or two kids stuck at the border. I wouldn't want to if I was responsible for twenty or thirty other peoples kids.