Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We'll see what happens.  You might see Trudeau re-elected and Trump out or the reverse.  I say throw them both out.

I don't have to throw them out, I've simply decamped beyond Trudeau's jurisdiction for all intents and purposes the moment I stopped relying on Confederation to run my life for me, and as for Trump, as a UKUSSAN, he is still serving my interests at this juncture, as bulwark against the sad and failing Democrat Party and associated Inside the Beltway Cucks.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

...Otherwise I don't think Trump cares, Trudeau, as Canadian PM, is well beneath him, and he's got other things to do, whereas Trudeau doesn't have a plan, other than playing as the Anti-Trump sockpuppet run by his puppet master Gerry Butts, who is trying to box the NDP out, so the Liberals can rule for another generation.

 

Agreed, but Canada has doubled down on all things Trumpian as being more impactful than Trudeau, in Canada.   Trump dominates op-ed pieces and straight news content in Canadian media, if only because Trudeau is seen as being clueless and aloof.   Trump fills that void, many times over.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed, but Canada has doubled down on all things Trumpian as being more impactful than Trudeau, in Canada.   Trump dominates op-ed pieces and straight news content in Canadian media, if only because Trudeau is seen as being clueless and aloof.   Trump fills that void, many times over.

Canada is a sad and failed state which does not stand a chance against the Hegemon, the sad and failing liberal media is simply deluded as to who is actually running the Hegemon, so in the confusion are throwing a tantrum.

[Rue]

18 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians, like all gun grabbers, focus on the guns and miss the point, which is that Canada is a quaint bourgeois monarchy which doesn't have to kill to eat, while America is a revolutionary republic which does not have any higher authority to appeal to save it.

This shapes the ideological underpinnings of these two states into diametrically opposed views of use of force to include lethal,  in defence of self kin and country.

So let me see if I understand this:

1-I focus on gun control because I don't have to kill to eat;

2-the US is obsessed with guns and shooting itself to death because it has no higher authority to appeal to.

If I also follow that "reasoning":

3-Americans are obsessed with shooting each other to death because they kill to eat;

4-I appeal to z higher authority so I am not a revolutionary and hate guns.....

....not to mention I am an Eskimo communist since I totally agree with Z.

Just to clarify:

5-my appeal to a larger authority does make me humble as to the sanctity of life-yes-also  having had to clean wounds or put body parts bags-in Canada most of us know the difference between a subsistence hunter and a recreational hunter and a farmer who has a rifle to protect his livestock from some half assed punk with a hand gun he holds sideways to compensate for his small penis;

6-there is nothing revolutionary in using a gun-in fact revolutionaries like  Jesus, Ghandi, Luther King did not use them.

Your comments are at times funny but also other times, inane and juvenile.

It was soldiers who taught me never to love a gun by the way. It was what they did not say not what they said that taught me that humility.

 

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

In broad strokes, it's a cultural difference, the Americans are gunfighters by nature, it's a gunfighter culture, their nation was founded and has grown to becomes the greatest Hegemon in the history of the world, largely as a product of gunfighting.   To Americans, guns are simply tools which solve problems.

Canadian gun control actually has its origin in America, because America invented gun control and is not actually opposed to it, they simply oppose federal gun control, see; Declaration of Independence

Canada adopted American local gun control laws, but imposed them nationally, but not to disarm gunfighters, the purpose of Canadian gun control is to disarm the Indians, it has simply mission creeped from what it was adopted for in 1885

[Dougie93]

Because the primary threat to the American Republic is tyrannical centralized government, while the primary threat to Canadian Confederation is Indian insurrection.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is a sad and failed state which does not stand a chance against the Hegemon, the sad and failing liberal media is simply deluded as to who is actually running the Hegemon, so in the confusion are throwing a tantrum.

 

Well, the problem faced by Canadian media is that usually there was a competent PM in place to counter the American president, if only for appearances sake and Canadian pride.   Not the case today, because Justin Trudeau and the Sunshine Band have not only failed on foreign policy and trade "files",  they have also inflamed traditional internecine warfare between provinces.    Trump helped to expose these posers for what they are....stress and pressure will do that.

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed, but Canada has doubled down on all things Trumpian as being more impactful than Trudeau, in Canada.   Trump dominates op-ed pieces and straight news content in Canadian media, if only because Trudeau is seen as being clueless and aloof.   Trump fills that void, many times over.

Canadians dislike Trump and Trudeau has also taken a hit.  Populism is a force in Canada and was before Trump, ironically in "liberal elite" cities like Toronto long before Trump, from Rob Ford to Mel Lastman, Alberta's Ralph Klein, and Newfoundland's Joey Smallwood.  All I care about is responsible government that maximizes public benefit at minimum cost.  I've seen it rarely on the right and the left, but mostly from the centre.  Guys like Bill Davis are the model for responsible government in Ontario.  Federally?  I actually liked the way Harper turned out and I liked Chretien.  Had high hopes for Martin but he went nowhere.  In the US?  For me it's probably Bill Clinton, FDR, and Obama.  Reagan and Kennedy had the personalities...

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, the problem faced by Canadian media is that usually there was a competent PM in place to counter the American president, if only for appearances sake and Canadian pride.   Not the case today, because Justin Trudeau and the Sunshine Band have not only failed on foreign policy and trade "files",  they have also inflamed traditional internecine warfare between provinces.    Trump helped to expose these posers for what they are....stress and pressure will do that.

Because Gerry Butts is a domestic political operator who has never had to swim in the big leagues of realpolitik, his sockpuppet substitute drama teacher is just a passenger here, what we are seeing is what happens when Downtown Toronto Elitist Kathleen Wynnederp hits the roaring wind of everything being for keeps and backed up by two stage fission-fusion critical mass.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canadians dislike Trump and Trudeau has also taken a hit.

 

Roger that...a majority of Canadians dislike Trump, but they know more about him each media news cycle than they know about Trudeau....in Canada.    Trudeau cannot get the focus back, because Trump is the lead story, good or bad.     Trudeau has faded along with his approval ratings, but Trump is the shiny thing that still gets plenty of attention.

[Dougie93]

But a significant and growing number of Canadians are increasingly identifying with the Red State,  the CBC is simply performing its role as the propaganda arm to edit them out of the national conversation.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Roger that...a majority of Canadians dislike Trump, but they know more about him each media news cycle than they know about Trudeau....in Canada.    Trudeau cannot get the focus back, because Trump is the lead story, good or bad.     Trudeau has faded along with his approval ratings, but Trump is the shiny thing that still gets plenty of attention.

Trump is good for ratings.  Entertaining but also dangerous.  Ultimately he needs to go.  You need a better president.

[Dougie93]

Mike Pence is fine by me, I only prefer Trump because Trump is a social libertarian whereas Pence is a social conservative, but if the Democucks would rather be beaten over the head with a bible instead of Twitter, so be it, doesn't impact me out here in UKUSSA.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump is good for ratings.  Entertaining but also dangerous.  Ultimately he needs to go.  You need a better president.

 

Not right now....Trump is just what was needed as a disruptive change agent...the reason he was elected....to break things (i.e. the status quo).

Trudeau and Canada are just road kill along the way.

 

[Dougie93]

Again, the guy who set this in motion is Roger Stone, Trump is Roger Stone's sockpuppet, and Roger Stone is the guy the Democucks are really after, because all of this is inclusive to being a Nixonian Plumber, and Stone is also paying them back for driving him out of power in Washington, just from the shadows using Trump as his proxy.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

But a significant and growing number of Canadians are increasingly identifying with the Red State,  the CBC is simply performing its role as the propaganda arm to edit them out of the national conversation.

 

But it is not working, because reader comments now go far beyond the usual bickering over taxpayers funding for the CBC.    Trump has exposed the game that Trudeau was playing (badly), and some Canadians are not ready to go along to get along anymore.    

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not right now....Trump is just what was needed as a disruptive change agent...the reason he was elected....to break things (i.e. the status quo).

Trudeau and Canada are just road kill along the way.

 

Don't you see that America is also road kill in Trump's dubious mission?  To an extent so is democracy the world over.  Trump has weakened America's moral authority, but he has also stoked dark forces at home and abroad.  It's all a bit too Nietzschean, and not in a good way because we don't even have heroes anymore.  Trudeau was trying to be some kind of hero of the left, but his ego and false morality has undercut his status.  I think Trudeau has star power and intelligence, but he has to toughen up about the right causes and cut out the identity politics nonsense.  Trump proclaimed himself a hero of the American workers against the global takers, but he has blown the public treasure, alienated allies, and polarized the American public.  Nothing centrist there.  I get the appeal of the disruptor, but you need a better plan if you're going to blow things up.  It all looks like salvage now, on trade with China, on the southern border, the Middle East.  You can't lead without vision, but real visions are about human development, not national socialism light.  Foreign countries hate that and so do many Americans.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

But it is not working, because reader comments now go far beyond the usual bickering over taxpayers funding for the CBC.    Trump has exposed the game that Trudeau was playing (badly), and some Canadians are not ready to go along to get along anymore.    

Of course, because it's a failed state in the face of market forces, that is what is ultimately ripping it apart, as, like I said, it is no longer dynamic against the tide of postmodernity.

The mechanism of the state continue to go through the motions pointlessly in the new paradigm, like the Kremlin in Russia.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Of course, because it's a failed state in the face of market forces, that is what is ultimately ripping it apart, as, like I said, it is no longer dynamic against the tide of postmodernity.

The mechanism of the state continue to go through the motions pointlessly in the new paradigm, like the Kremlin in Russia.

 

Item:   NAFTA 2.0 negotiations exposed the existence of far greater trade barriers between provinces than with the U.S. or Mexico.    This could no longer be ignored in Canadian media...Trump had stirred up too much dirt (dairy protectionism, dumping, Chinese steel transshipments, IP theft).

Now we find out that a majority of polled Quebec residents do not oppose oil pipelines and would prefer to buy refined products from Alberta over imports, but the usual political class wants to keep the pot stirred for partisan interests.

[Dougie93]

Contrary to popular myth, the American Hegenomy is actually functioning exactly as it supposed to, and is in fact expanding not contracting, the only thing that is being reined in is the sad and failing Pentagon, because the Red Nation doesn't need it to prosper, they prosper by Flight to Quality whether the Pentagon blows sh*t up or not.

Failed states like Russia and Canada are simply twisting in the agonies of the tidal forces, China is simply feeling the pressure of the expansion by flight to Quality pulling on their people, pulling them towards UKUSSA, so China is backsliding into Stalinism with the Russians now too, as the Chicoms recoil from that.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Item:   NAFTA 2.0 negotiations exposed the existence of far greater trade barriers between provinces than with the U.S. or Mexico.    This could no longer be ignored in Canadian media...Trump had stirred up too much dirt (dairy protectionism, dumping, Chinese steel transshipments, IP theft).

Now we find out that a majority of polled Quebec residents do not oppose oil pipelines and would prefer to buy refined products from Alberta over imports, but the usual political class wants to keep the pot stirred for partisan interests.

All north south trade with the Hegemon, no east west trade within Confederation, failed state exhibit A, for a Canadian east west trade federation.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Item:   NAFTA 2.0 negotiations exposed the existence of far greater trade barriers between provinces than with the U.S. or Mexico.    This could no longer be ignored in Canadian media...Trump had stirred up too much dirt (dairy protectionism, dumping, Chinese steel transshipments, IP theft).

Now we find out that a majority of polled Quebec residents do not oppose oil pipelines and would prefer to buy refined products from Alberta over imports, but the usual political class wants to keep the pot stirred for partisan interests.

I'd like to see Quebec get on board with Energy East.  Trudeau should be fighting for that.  He won't.

[Dougie93]

What we are witnessing is the only true Hegemon in the postmodern world, completing its conquest of the world by Flight to Quality, nary a shot fired, and so is as a result holstering the shots fired department,  until such time as there is an actual imminent and direct threat to the CONUS.

NATO is going away, but America is expanding past it anyways and so it is no longer of any particular use to them.   Trump is just the Red Nation's messenger laying out terms which are de facto.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Geostrategically, NATO never was anything but a no mans land between the CONUS and an existential threat launch on warning thermonuclear force in Eurasia, American Combatant Commands are simply a defense in depth required for global thermonuclear deterrence, the Neocons simply hijacked it to go Social Justice Warrioring to free the slaves in the middle east in the name of Gettysburg, the Red State conservatives simply jettisoning that pointless diversion to fall back on Flight to Quality alone.

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I'd like to see Quebec get on board with Energy East.  Trudeau should be fighting for that.  He won't.

 

Just another Trudeau fail...for votes I would guess.   Quebec already knows that moving oil by train can be...umm...problematic.