Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Indeed, but failed states are failed, so they can no longer defend you from the vagaries of the Darwinian market forces which are otherwise unassailable evolution in action. So what happens is that buffeting ensues as the broken structure of the failed state loses dynamic forward motion and begins to list uncontrollably in the tidal forces. This buffeting increases inexorably until it becomes intolerable for the people being hammered around by it, and then the state comes apart at the seams, one way or the other in the end. So when do you think the US will come apart? Lol. Canada is thriving. So is the US. There are problems for sure. What are you going to do, come in with your ICBM's and enslave Canadians on their way to the dentist? Ridiculous. Canada does need to invest more in hard power, but we have handled other aspects of our NATO role very well, such as resettlement of refugees, diplomacy, peacekeeping, rebuilding, training, and so forth. These decisions about where allies could best offer support were made in concert with our partners. Sure, Canada could go all out on arms, and no doubt we'd do it well, but that isn't what is being asked or what is called for. Contributions to NATO are increasing among NATO partners, but again, whose messes are we cleaning up? Have the non-military expenditures been recognized? What are the impacts of countries' foreign interventions?
Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Doesn't even take that....Canada is still screwing First Nations over, even under Trudeau's "feminist agenda". Your solution would be a Jacksonian, Manifest Destiny full-on invasion of FN territory, no doubt. Privatize indigenous territory, forced attendance at English speaking only schools, throw the resisters in prison. Oh wait, that's the story of inner city black America, where more black men are in jail than university.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 Canada is not thriving, that is an illusion, causation correlation fallacy, Canada is a failed state zombie which is simply propped up by special access granted by the American Hegemon to its market, said Hegemon thriving by its Constitution inciting Flight to Quality, as it has since 1916, when Britain itself was forced to flee to quality, to be bailed out by the new American Empire of Liberty.
Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Canada is not thriving, that is an illusion, causation correlation fallacy, Canada is a failed state zombie which is simply propped up by special access granted by the American Hegemon to its market, said Hegemon thriving by its Constitution inciting Flight to Quality, as it has since 1916, when Britain itself was forced to flee to quality, to be bailed out by the new American Empire of Liberty. Too bad you're the only one who thinks that or cares. Oh wait a minute, there are some quasi-fascists on here who'd probably be at home with your ideas.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 That's what Canada looks like when you float above it in the global market, it's not controversial outside of Canada, that is why they call you a Fake Country, inciting you to a reactionary fascistic response to rally around your failed state, because you have internalized it and its interests as your own and indistinguishable from yourself, again, otherwise known as totalitarianism. The state Canada is most like, is not America, from above looking down from the Global Market, Canada actually most closely resembles the Russian Federation.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Your solution would be a Jacksonian, Manifest Destiny full-on invasion of FN territory, no doubt. Privatize indigenous territory, forced attendance at English speaking only schools, throw the resisters in prison. Oh wait, that's the story of inner city black America, where more black men are in jail than university. No, that was Canada's failed solution, with remnants still in place today. Trudeau is continuing Canada's subjugation of First Nations people and land, while pretending to be "progressive". Children are still being taken from their mothers, prisons are still filled with "aboriginals", potable water on reserves is still an issue, and compensation for victims is far less than for terrorist war criminals. Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Remember though, in the Information Age the Global Market is accessible to you, wherever you live, so you do not actually have to depend on failed states for your prosperity, and as such you do not need to invest in them. I don't invest in Canada for the same reason I don't invest in Russia, I invest in America, not only where the freedom so money is, but also the only thing propping Upper Canada up, and I'm using Upper Canada as my tethered tax jurisdiction, because it cannot be taken by military force, other than American military force, which I of course support, as the only military force defending my actual interests. I'm not rich per se, but that doesn't preclude me from adopting their strategies. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dougie93
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't invest in Canada for the same reason I don't invest in Russia, I invest in America, not only where the freedom so money is, So does the Canadian Pension Plan (CPP) Investment board....has more invested in the United States than in Canada. Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No, that was Canada's failed solution, with remnants still in place today. Trudeau is continuing Canada's subjugation of First Nations people and land, while pretending to be "progressive". Children are still being taken from their mothers, prisons are still filled with "aboriginals", potable water on reserves is still an issue, and compensation for victims is far less than for terrorist war criminals. At least many indigenous cultures and languages continue to exist in Canada. I agree that much has to be done, but when it comes to Indian atrocities, USA is number one! I won't get into all of the atrocities in the Trail of Tears or the American Indian War, but below are some lowlights and a bio of ethnic cleanser Andrew Jackson: https://listverse.com/2016/07/19/10-horrific-native-american-massacres/ https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjWxPKi8_DfAhUKyYMKHUbNCUgQFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewsmaven.io%2Findiancountrytoday%2Farchive%2Findian-killer-andrew-jackson-deserves-top-spot-on-list-of-worst-us-presidents-q-Qg-O3lJUCE1bdhzyeS-A%2F&usg=AOvVaw1spBdL0ATEForliGeteWVw
Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So does the Canadian Pension Plan (CPP) Investment board....has more invested in the United States than in Canada. We used to have strict limits on foreign investment. Do you propose we reintroduce them and pull investment from US markets? Edited January 16, 2019 by Zeitgeist
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So does the Canadian Pension Plan (CPP) Investment board....has more invested in the United States than in Canada. Thank you for your service, citizen, e pluribus unum. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dougie93
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: At least many indigenous cultures and languages continue to exist in Canada. I agree that much has to be done, but when it comes to Indian atrocities, USA is number one! I won't get into all of the atrocities in the Trail of Tears or the American Indian War, but below are some lowlights and a bio of ethnic cleanser Andrew Jackson: Still far more natives living in the evil USA, without daily national headlines about continued government incompetence, discrimination at Canadian Tire stores, endless "apologies", reconciliation, unsettled land claims, stolen babies, etc. Trudeau didn't create Canada's long history for "aboriginals", but he does continue it, just like his father. Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Y'all see what happened just there? That is called the Flight to Quality and is in fact the source of all America's wealth and power. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dougie93
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We used to have strict limits on foreign investment. To you propose we reintroduce them and pull investment from US markets? Yes, if only to balance and synchronize so much anti-American rhetoric with actions. Hate the Americans...love their economy. Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 That's why King Dollar is the reserve currency, it's not a political choice, it's market forces.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes, if only to balance and synchronize so much anti-American rhetoric with actions. Hate the Americans...love their economy. Once one puts their knee jerk rally around the failed state Anti-American fascism aside, one comes to realize that Americans on the whole are actually the most decent upstanding and friendly people on earth, and Canadians could be too, if they ever put down their poisonous revanchism against the hand the feeds them.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Once one puts their knee jerk rally around the failed state Anti-American fascism aside, one comes to realize that Americans on the whole are actually the most decent upstanding and friendly people on earth, and Canadians could be too, if they ever put down their poisonous revanchism against the hand the feeds them. Agreed....the Canadians and Americans who know the score will soldier on as before, leaving the idiots to be bitch slapped by Trump. Trudeau and Freeland needed extra education on such matters......maybe they have finally figured things out. Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....the Canadians and Americans who know the score will soldier on as before, leaving the idiots to be bitch slapped by Trump. Trudeau and Freeland needed extra education on such matters......maybe they have finally figured things out. Trump is simply the messenger, the people in the Red Nation are simply recoiling from knee jerk Canadian fascism when they see it.
Dougie93 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Which is of course is not a request, but rather strategic warning. Like bringing the BUFF's to failsafe. Edited January 15, 2019 by Dougie93
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Posted January 15, 2019 Unfortunately, Trudeau's shortcomings are more obvious because of the direct challenges that Trump represents. No other American president has dominated the Canadian media and psyche in my living memory going back to JFK. Trudeau now has a lower approval rating in Canada than Trump does in the United States. Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted January 15, 2019 Report Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Which is of course is not a request, but rather strategic warning. Like bringing the BUFF's to failsafe. Right, it's a threat. Trump = Tread on others because success only exists at the expense of others. It's the zero-sum game, folks... Edited January 16, 2019 by Zeitgeist
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Report Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Right, it's a threat. Trump = Tread on others because success only exists at the expensive of others. It's the zero-sum game, folks... ...and necessary based on the imbalances and expenses faced by the Americans who elected him. Trudeau's "sunny ways" don't mean squat elsewhere (and even less these days in Canada). Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Unfortunately, Trudeau's shortcomings are more obvious because of the direct challenges that Trump represents. No other American president has dominated the Canadian media and psyche in my living memory going back to JFK. Trudeau now has a lower approval rating in Canada than Trump does in the United States. Trudeau none the less still has a better relationship with Trump than Diefenbaker had with Kennedy, Kennedy and Diefenbaker actually despised each other personally, whereas Trump is the figurehead of the populist movement, and so is Trudeau, and as such simply use each other as props to play to their base. Otherwise I don't think Trump cares, Trudeau, as Canadian PM, is well beneath him, and he's got other things to do, whereas Trudeau doesn't have a plan, other than playing as the Anti-Trump sockpuppet run by his puppet master Gerry Butts, who is trying to box the NDP out, so the Liberals can rule for another generation.
Zeitgeist Posted January 16, 2019 Report Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Trudeau none the less still has a better relationship with Trump than Diefenbaker had with Kennedy, Kennedy and Diefenbaker actually despised each other personally, whereas Trump is the figurehead of the populist movement, and so is Trudeau, and as such simply use each other as props to play to their base. Otherwise I don't think Trump cares, Trudeau, as Canadian PM, is well beneath him, and he's got other things to do, whereas Trudeau doesn't have a plan, other than playing as the Anti-Trump sockpuppet run by his puppet master Gerry Butts, who is trying to box the NDP out, so the Liberals can rule for another generation. We'll see what happens. You might see Trudeau re-elected and Trump out or the reverse. I say throw them both out.
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