Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Politically, it looks like the acknowledgement of the obvious (i.e. Canada is no longer a multipurpose force capable of some previous missions) will happen on Trudeau's watch, and maybe it's exactly what he wants. A hobbled military is incapable of foreign adventures and commensurate headaches back home. Modern strike aircraft ("bomb trucks") will be last on the list for capital investment, even lower than the rotary wing procurement fiasco(s). In fairness to the politicians, there's no votes in Defence but porkbarreling in fairness to the electorate, there's no conventional military threat to Canada. And in terms of American complaints about the world's Free Riders, it's not going to stop so long as America is filling the void, Americans keeping saying they are going to pull it all back, but they never actually do.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 On the bright side, federal procurement is so absurdly broken, it is restricting the politicians ability to pork barrel, they can't even get projects off the ground to shovel the money out the door.
Age sovereign Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 The Communist history of Pierre Trudeau is troubling. Justin has followed closely in his fathers footsteps. I prefer liberty.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) PET had his charms, he was not at least anyway effeminate like Justin, PET was a man's man, bedding celebrity starlets and crushing the FLQ under his jackboots, "Just Watch Me" is one of the most bad assed moments in the history of the nation. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93 1
PIK Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: PET had his charms, he was not at least anyway effeminate like Justin, PET was a man's man, bedding celebrity starlets and crushing the FLQ under his jackboots, "Just Watch Me" is one of the most bad assed moments in the history of the nation. PET was a separatist, but was not into violence and when they went violent he stepped in. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, PIK said: PET was a separatist Perhaps the dumbest assertion I have seen a Canadian make on the internet, ever. That's like saying Thomas Jefferson was a monarchist.
Argus Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 19 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Not at all, I respect the Mohawks and understand why they don't want the Feds messing with them, but part of the reason that they would be able to bring the Windsor-Quebec corridor to a grinding halt with a relatively tiny number of warriors is the political reality that the public would not tolerate rolling over them with the army unrestrained. The public would tolerate a whole hell of a lot more than the national media and opinion makers would. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Dougie93 said: On the bright side, federal procurement is so absurdly broken, it is restricting the politicians ability to pork barrel, they can't even get projects off the ground to shovel the money out the door. Simply not true. They're not buying anything because they don't want to. Spending on social welfare programs returns more in votes than spending on military procurement. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Argus said: The public would tolerate a whole hell of a lot more than the national media and opinion makers would. The national media and opinion makers are two thirds of the Canadian Public, the useful idiots of the Eastern Urbane Elites, there's like 20 million of them. If you're not one of them, you don't matter. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93
Argus Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The national media and opinion makers are two thirds of the Canadian Public, No, they just think they are. And your estimated number is low by a third. Edited January 8, 2019 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Argus said: No, they just think they are. And your estimated number is low by a third. Due to the structure of Confederation, they have the West and the Maritimes locked out, the Eastern Urbane Elites rule absolutely, because they win two thirds of the elections and they always will, thus, if you're not one of them, you have no long term impact nor strategic relevance upon nor within this failed state American propped up zombie Confederation and in the end don't matter.
Argus Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Due to the structure of Confederation, they have the West and the Maritimes locked out, the Eastern Urbane Elites rule absolutely, because they win two thirds of the elections and they always will, thus, if you're not one of them, you have no long term impact nor strategic relevance upon nor within this failed state American propped up zombie Confederation and in the end don't matter. The Maritimes deserve to be locked out. They only ever vote for whoever offers the most slops for their trough anyway. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Argus said: The Maritimes deserve to be locked out. They only ever vote for whoever offers the most slops for their trough anyway. Because they are trapped in Confederation and so do not control their own destinies, crippled by the Ottawa dysfunction, they have little choice but to throw themselves on the mercy of it, because they can't fix anything when they have no influence over the direction of Confederation, and this is the same for the West, because the three large component areas of Canada do not have the same interests, in most cases their interests are diametrically opposed. Ontario and Quebec work together, perhaps, but Ontario, Quebec the Maratimes and West, is inherently dysfunctional.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) See, if there were four countries here instead of one, the Dominions of Upper Canada, Western Canada, Atlantic Canada, and the Republic of Quebec, each of those countries would be real countries not Fake Countries, and so they would function much better and so ultimately be happier and more prosperous. They would still work together, it would still be a Customs Union and military economic alliance, but not at gun point in a shotgun marriage from Ottawa, because that is how Confederation was born. The colonies did not want to Confedeerate because they even at that time foresaw the dysfunction that would ensue, knowing that they had different interests, but they were forced together by the British in the panic over the Fenian Raids, because the Americans got so big in their Civil War, Britain was not going to mess with them, so they weren't coming to defend us. We were essentially kicked out of the British Empire against our wishes. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: See, if there were four countries here instead of one, the Dominions of Upper Canada, Western Canada, Atlantic Canada, and the Republic of Quebec, each of those countries would be real countries not Fake Countries, Perhaps, but it is not clear that even a Western Canada would get on well, given the present battles between Alberta and BC. Justin Trudeau hasn't done much for the heralded Canadian unity either. Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Perhaps, but it is not clear that even a Western Canada would get on well, given the present battles between Alberta and BC. Justin Trudeau hasn't done much for the heralded Canadian unity either. Fair enough, but BC can be its own Dominion then, there's no reason you have to be a big country, Singapore is a powerhouse and its smaller than Toronto. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 These four countries would also each have better military's than the unified Canadian military, and the heritage of the military would be maintained because the military units are regional based here, so the West would still have the Patrica's and Quebec would still have the Vandoos etc.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) And this process is entirely consistent with our history because our history is British history and this is how the British Empire came apart and yet stayed together and now all functions much better as the loosely associated Commonwealth rather than the tyrannical British Empire. Just think of Canada as being a huge Empire onto itself, which it is, now simply see that Ottawa is the new London. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93
Zeitgeist Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Due to the structure of Confederation, they have the West and the Maritimes locked out, the Eastern Urbane Elites rule absolutely, because they win two thirds of the elections and they always will, thus, if you're not one of them, you have no long term impact nor strategic relevance upon nor within this failed state American propped up zombie Confederation and in the end don't matter. You could say that about the east and west coasts of the US.
Zeitgeist Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, Argus said: The Maritimes deserve to be locked out. They only ever vote for whoever offers the most slops for their trough anyway. They get a disproportionately high number of seats for their population size.
Zeitgeist Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Because they are trapped in Confederation and so do not control their own destinies, crippled by the Ottawa dysfunction, they have little choice but to throw themselves on the mercy of it, because they can't fix anything when they have no influence over the direction of Confederation, and this is the same for the West, because the three large component areas of Canada do not have the same interests, in most cases their interests are diametrically opposed. Ontario and Quebec work together, perhaps, but Ontario, Quebec the Maratimes and West, is inherently dysfunctional. Ask Doug Ford if Ontario and Quebec are working together right now. Pipelines? Cancelled new French university in Ontario? Doug is going it alone.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Posted January 8, 2019 So what has Justin Trudeau done in the way of Canadian unity while he and other Canadian politicians/media are so busy accusing Trump of sowing disunity "south of the border" ? Pot...Kettle...White ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You could say that about the east and west coasts of the US. Yes, and America is a shotgun wedding as well, see; the Civil War. Americans do not worship Washington as Canadians worship Ottawa, the problem in America though, is the looming shadow of their Civil War which is cast over everything, they can't de-confederate without having a catastrophic war. Canada however, can do it quite peacefully and reasonably and in Canada the Constitution allows for it. America's constitution used to allow for it, but when the Confederate States invoked that clause, the Union crushed them. This is why they still have the Second Amendment, in case somebody crosses that line again. We never had a civil war, the Protestants and Catholics made a deal here so our civil war was averted, and the deal here still includes the right to vote yourself out of Confederation, in writing, now backed up by SCC ruling. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dougie93
Zeitgeist Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: See, if there were four countries here instead of one, the Dominions of Upper Canada, Western Canada, Atlantic Canada, and the Republic of Quebec, each of those countries would be real countries not Fake Countries, and so they would function much better and so ultimately be happier and more prosperous. They would still work together, it would still be a Customs Union and military economic alliance, but not at gun point in a shotgun marriage from Ottawa, because that is how Confederation was born. The colonies did not want to Confedeerate because they even at that time foresaw the dysfunction that would ensue, knowing that they had different interests, but they were forced together by the British in the panic over the Fenian Raids, because the Americans got so big in their Civil War, Britain was not going to mess with them, so they weren't coming to defend us. We were essentially kicked out of the British Empire against our wishes. Confederation was a dream that was connected to the building of the Canadian National railway, the control of territory through the RCMP, biculturalism, the ending of the family compacts, and the settlement of the Prairies, which came after BC. Canada East and West were steppingstones. There’s a lot to Confederation.
Dougie93 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Confederation was a dream that was connected to the building of the Canadian National railway, the control of territory through the RCMP, biculturalism, the ending of the family compacts, and the settlement of the Prairies, which came after BC. Canada East and West were steppingstones. There’s a lot to Confederation. That's all Liberal Party of Canada made up myth making propaganda, the Americans have their founding myth, Canada has one as well.
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