kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Is there one single in the US these days that there is no unrest and crazy stuff hapening? The chance of that not even remote.... Nevermind diplomacy. For those apologisers for Trump we are on the verge of witnessing Nazism revisited in 2017. Message is loud and clear for those with a bit of grey brain cells...This time it is happening in the US of A. And No I am not referring to Godwin Law ffs. You give these people an inch and they think they can do whatever the hell they want. And you call this democracy!? F#ck that... http://reverbpress.com/news/right-wing-extremists-launch-new-militia/ Edited February 9, 2017 by kactus Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, Boges said: Totally Godwined. Yup as expected. Bunch of drivel as usual. Thanks for your contribution.... Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Reverbpress sounds like a reliable news source. Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Reverbpress sounds like a reliable news source. It might help if one reads the article first...Just a suggestion... Edited February 9, 2017 by kactus Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Would you take a Breibart link at face value? Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 The "article" takes a move by a Right-Wing militia and extrapolates its actions to the South Banning Muslims. And the Trump Administration being the next Nazis. Isn't the fact that a court has thrown out the ban of Muslim nations evidence that Trump does not, in fact have absolute power? Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/08/11/donald-trump-fuels-the-confederate-insurgency/ http://beingliberal.tumblr.com/post/156958116357/emboldened-by-trump-armed-neo-confederate Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, Boges said: The "article" takes a move by a Right-Wing militia and extrapolates its actions to the South Banning Muslims. And the Trump Administration being the next Nazis. Isn't the fact that a court has thrown out the ban of Muslim nations evidence that Trump does not, in fact have absolute power? He might be a lame duck due to lack of credibility and substance but it doesn't negate the fact that he is still the president of the most powerful country. He is divisive and a compulsive lier that is triggering fascism and bringing it to US. Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, kactus said: He might be a lame duck due to lack of credibility and substance but it doesn't negate the fact that he is still the president of the most powerful country. He is divisive and a compulsive lier that is triggering fascism and bringing it to US. And what are you gonna do about it? He won a democratic election. This country elected a over dramatic liar that sounds like he's on the verge of tears every time he speaks. Edited February 9, 2017 by Boges Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boges said: And what are you gonna do about it? He won a democratic election. This country elected a over dramatic liar that sounds like he's on the verge of tears every time he speaks. First you asked me that the source of this article is questionable and saud it is godwin. Now that other sources are provided you are saying that Trump is powerless for muslim ban....These are two different arguments! Bur that's not the point. If his rating is on the verge down and tge whole judiciary is all over him surely one is entitled to question his legitimacy. Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, kactus said: First you asked me that the source of this article is questionable and saud it is godwin. Now that other sources are provided you are saying that Trump is powerless for muslim ban....These are two different arguments! Bur that's not the point. If his rating is on the verge down and tge whole judiciary is all over him surely one is entitled to question his legitimacy. No you aren't. His term is 4 years. Congress could impeach him, but not based on what we've seen already. The one thing that does cause me some alarm is that Trump has shown himself to be completely unable to let any slight go unanswered. That type of pettiness seems to be very un-presidential. BUT!!! that's a long way from the rising of the Fourth Reich. Racists gonna be racist for whatever reason. Quote
?Impact Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Boges said: That type of pettiness seems to be very un-presidential. He doesn't need to be Presidential, he has a job to do. If he wanted to be Presidential, he could best all of them except maybe Lincoln (yes, I heard him say those exact words). Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boges said: No you aren't. His term is 4 years. Congress could impeach him, but not based on what we've seen already. The one thing that does cause me some alarm is that Trump has shown himself to be completely unable to let any slight go unanswered. That type of pettiness seems to be very un-presidential. BUT!!! that's a long way from the rising of the Fourth Reich. Racists gonna be racist for whatever reason. Well I disagree. It's not just about Trump it's the people he is gathering around him. Steve Banon literally dictates the terms and Trump follows them blindly. Rise of the Vierte Reich was slowww. That's how these things happens in those who have racist genes if I can term it that way... Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 But the problem is, when you have this stark and often condescending response to a democratically elected president, you only embolden his base and increase divisiveness. Appeal to member of congress to oppose anything extremist coming from the White House, appeal to his base that what he's doing is bad for the country. But telling his supporters that they're racist is how Trump got elected in the first place. Quote
Wilber Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 NAZI's is quite a stretch but they have made it clear they have no respect for democratic institutions, a free press or the judiciary. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 Then at what point will the system turn against him? You would think that he shouldn't be using his power of position for his own business self interests. Ivanka Trump and Nordstrom saga and the list goes on...America first oh the irony... Quote
Boges Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 The Nordstrom thing isn't really the Rise of Nazism. The system has already turned against him with this Muslim ban. And congress has said it could be 2018 before a replacement to Obamacare could be in place, by then congress could be in Democratic hands. His Supreme Court nominee has come out against his Rhetoric against judges that rule against him. There are plenty of real examples of people rising up against Trump that doesn't involve petulant protestors. Quote
TimG Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Boges said: No you aren't. His term is 4 years. Congress could impeach him, but not based on what we've seen already. Trump has clearly violated the spirit of the emoluments clause in the US constitution. Trump is trying to argue the letter of the law by saying that 'fair-value exchange does not constitute a gift' The ultimate interpretation of that clause is unknown but I think it is pretty clear that congress has grounds to impeach should they be so inclined: http://time.com/4658633/impeach-donald-trump-congress/ IMO, as long as Trump does what congress wants he will stay. If he tries to bully congress or if the dems retake control he is gone. Edited February 9, 2017 by TimG Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boges said: The Nordstrom thing isn't really the Rise of Nazism. The system has already turned against him with this Muslim ban. And congress has said it could be 2018 before a replacement to Obamacare could be in place, by then congress could be in Democratic hands. His Supreme Court nominee has come out against his Rhetoric against judges that rule against him. There are plenty of real examples of people rising up against Trump that doesn't involve petulant protestors. No it isn't tantamount to nazism and I just wanted to highlight one of many examples that makes him unstable for decision making processes. Quote
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, TimG said: Trump has clearly violated the spirit of the emoluments clause in the US constitution. Trump is trying to argue the letter of the law by saying that 'fair-value exchange does not constitute a gift' The ultimate interpretation of that clause is unknown but I think it is pretty clear that congress has grounds to impeach should they be so inclined: http://time.com/4658633/impeach-donald-trump-congress/ Glad to see some origress is being made in that regard...thanks for sharing. Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 42 minutes ago, Boges said: No you aren't. His term is 4 years. Congress could impeach him, but not based on what we've seen already. His foreign business interests and willingness to use the presidency for personal unfair business advantages and profit is already enough for impeachment. The Russian investigation hasn't been made public yet either, but there's probably enough there already too. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Boges said: No you aren't. His term is 4 years. Congress could impeach him, but not based on what we've seen already. Agreed...not going to happen based on what has transpired so far. Senate would not convict anyway. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Posted February 9, 2017 They very fact that Trump's impeachment is being discussed in open should surely send the warning signs to the White House.... Quote
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