kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, drummindiver said: Sorry; the question was not framed in any of those contexts. Iran is on the verge of being a nuclear power. This concerns me this this thread. If it doesn't concern you why are you following this thread? The statement has no basis as the nuclear watchdog has confirmed there is no nuclear threat from Iran since P+5 agreement and Iran has complied. I agree with that doctrine as I have not seen any evidence that suggests otherwise... Edited February 15, 2017 by kactus 1 1 Quote
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Unless other countries see Iran as violating the terms of the nuclear agreement, the US will likely be on its own in taking any action against Iran. 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: Unless other countries see Iran as violating the terms of the nuclear agreement, the US will likely be on its own in taking any action against Iran. Iran has already broken the treaty by continued ICBM development and testing. There was a launch just recently. If the trend is being continued, they probably had "The Zionist Entity Must Be Destroyed" emblazoned on the side of the missile...like in past tests. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Even worse: Iran tested a new North Korean designed ICBM that uses a mobile launcher. A step-up the ladder re: MAD Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Wilber said: Unless other countries see Iran as violating the terms of the nuclear agreement, the US will likely be on its own in taking any action against Iran. Agreed!t Britain along with other countries are happy with this controversial agreement. Theresa May in her visit to US has also expressed that Iran has fulfilled the nuclear agreement. It is only the US under the pressure from Bibi that is forcing for US to take this action unilaterally....No other country holds the same view. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, kactus said: Agreed!t Britain along with other countries are happy with this controversial agreement. Theresa May in her visit to US has also expressed that Iran has fulfilled the nuclear agreement. It is only the US under the pressure from Bibi that is forcing for US to take this action unilaterally....No other country holds the same view. Iran was SUPPOSED to wait a minimum of 8 years before resuming ICBM tests. (UN 2231) They didn't. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, kactus said: This conversation moved on. What you are referring to was discussed much earlier and to be able to follow it you need to read the subsequent posts... There is no point being selective and hung up one post when so much more has been discussed since... Literally none of your business telling me how or when or what to post. Have at it when you becone moderator, not before thanks.. Edited February 15, 2017 by drummindiver 1 Quote
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Even worse: Iran tested a new North Korean designed ICBM that uses a mobile launcher. A step-up the ladder re: MAD Iran has not tested an ICBM. It has tested medium range missiles. The latest Shahab-3 has a maximum range of 1200 miles. The launches are not a violation of the nuclear deal but may be a violation of UN Security Council resolution. The North Korean connection is disturbing. Edited February 15, 2017 by Wilber 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Iran has not tested an ICBM. It has tested medium range missiles. The latest Shahab-3 has a maximum range of 1200 miles. The launches are not a violation of the nuclear deal but may be a violation of UN Security Council resolution. As you might or might-not know, both Iran and North Korea are developing missiles with global range. The Shahab-3 is old. Testing re-entry shrouds is also against the treaty...and that's going-on, as well. And finally....do you REALLY think the end game here is to develop short range missiles? Really?? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Literally none of your business telling me how or when or what to post. Have at it when you becone moderator, not before thanks.. Clearly you have misread what I have written and I have no time to explain it to you again.... 1 Quote
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, Wilber said: Iran has not tested an ICBM. It has tested medium range missiles. The latest Shahab-3 has a maximum range of 1200 miles. The launches are not a violation of the nuclear deal but may be a violation of UN Security Council resolution. The North Korean connection is disturbing. You would find that the testing of those medium range missiles are calculated to send a message to Washington that Iran is ready to DEFEND itself when Trump puts the citizens of that country on ban and is very unpredictable about his intentions on Iran....I don't think anyone would have a problem to use those missiles to defend their country... 1 Quote
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Let's be clear that the recent missile test by Iran is NOT ICBM as has been suggested.... 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Any missile capable of carrying nuclear weapons is under UN 2231. Not just ICBMs. This is a separate thing from the 'Nuclear Deal'. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 The Defence department called this latest launch a medium range missile. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilber said: The Defence department called this latest launch a medium range missile. Doesn't matter re: range. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Doesn't matter re: range. It does and is not in violation of nuclear agreement as you indicated... 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 It violates UN 2231 which specifically says NO to Iran testing ANY missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Most nonproliferation experts would say Iran certainly defied the spirit of the U.N. resolution, but technically didn't violate it — because it contains no prohibition against such testing, as one of its predecessors, passed in 2010, specifically did. Here's what the two resolutions say on the subject, with highlighting added: U.N. Security Council Resolution 1929, from 2010, says the Security Council "decides that Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities." http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/03/513229839/did-irans-ballistic-missile-test-violate-a-u-n-resolution 2 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Indeed. Like many UN Resolutions, it is ignored. Both in spirit and real-life actions. So Iran does the launch anyways with the usual anti-Israel message on the side. You get to pretend the launch was for goodness knows what reason...anything other than testing missiles. The monkey body count rises. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 And to give an example of how Iran behaves... When it was expedient for Iran to hide ICBM development under the guise of a civilian space agency, it did just that. Suddenly a new agency with a multi-billion dollar budget came to be. Launching monkeys, satellites and such as I mentioned (re-entry shroud testing and what-not). Making a big deal about Iran being a founding member of the UN's 'Peaceful Use Of Space' committee (in the Shah's days...cough). When it was no longer needed, boom...no more money. This year's (2017) budget was under 5 million USD. Enough to pay the janitors, I guess. But, by golly, the Simorgh and Safir rockets developed by the 'civilian agency' can carry a big warhead...what a coincidence. And they're skookum enough to put a payload into orbit...but, hey...we ain't gotz no ICBMs. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 32 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Indeed. Like many UN Resolutions, it is ignored. Both in spirit and real-life actions. So Iran does the launch anyways with the usual anti-Israel message on the side. You get to pretend the launch was for goodness knows what reason...anything other than testing missiles. The monkey body count rises. Agreed , many nations have ignored many UN Treaties, including the USA! The USA has even vetoed some important resolutions regarding another nation in the M.E. Your turn. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Agreed , many nations have ignored many UN Treaties, including the USA! The USA has even vetoed some important resolutions regarding another nation in the M.E. Your turn. Nuclear weapons aren't just bigger bombs. If Israel or the USA gets nuked by Iran, you get a dose of Strontium-90. No matter where you hide. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: Most nonproliferation experts would say Iran certainly defied the spirit of the U.N. resolution, but technically didn't violate it — because it contains no prohibition against such testing, as one of its predecessors, passed in 2010, specifically did. Here's what the two resolutions say on the subject, with highlighting added: U.N. Security Council Resolution 1929, from 2010, says the Security Council "decides that Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities." http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/03/513229839/did-irans-ballistic-missile-test-violate-a-u-n-resolution Your link stating they deliberately broke sanctions in 2010 hardly advances your argument of Iran being innocuous. And to say they got off on a technicallity? I know how pissed I am when a killer gets off Scott free on a technicality. ...same here. Edited February 15, 2017 by drummindiver Quote
drummindiver Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Nuclear weapons aren't just bigger bombs. If Israel or the USA gets nuked by Iran, you get a dose of Strontium-90. No matter where you hide. No need to worry about the Stontium-90. Casieun-137 is water soluble so it spreads through nature into things like your food. Iranian kababs for all hurrah! Edited February 15, 2017 by drummindiver Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, drummindiver said: No need to worry about the Stontium-90. Casieun-137 is water soluble so it spreads through nature into things like your food. Iranian kababs for all hurrah! Yes, it has a similar half-life. Iodine-131 is the other evil isotope made in huge quantities, but it has a much shorter half-life. Days... And we used to blow these things-off in the open on the surface willingly...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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