betsy Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Omni said: One last time...where did the 9/11 bombers hail from? What's that got to do where 9/11 bombers come from? A lot depends on the extreme screening and vetting. If countries are hostile and not cooperative, or their system lacks the sophistication to make any vetting possible - they'd be on that list! Btw, those countries were taken from Obama's list! Ask Obama why those countries from 9/11 weren't on that list. Edited February 6, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 hours ago, betsy said: What's that got to do where 9/11 bombers come from? A lot depends on the extreme screening and vetting. If countries are hostile and not cooperative, or their system lacks the sophistication to make any vetting possible - they'd be on that list! Btw, those countries were taken from Obama's list! Ask Obama why those countries from 9/11 weren't on that list. You must be reading Breitbart again. Obama didn't ban anyone. His list only removed visa waiver's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Omni said: You must be reading Breitbart again. Obama didn't ban anyone. His list only removed visa waiver's. I didn't say Obama banned them. I said they were on his list. Quote How the Trump administration chose the 7 countries in the immigration executive order The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration's actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump's order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/ So, ask Obama why those countries from 9/11 weren't on his list. According to Spicer, Trump might add more countries to that list. Edited February 6, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, betsy said: I didn't say Obama banned them. I said they were on his list. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/ So, ask Obama why those countries from 9/11 weren't on his list. According to Spicer, Trump might add more countries to that list. http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/31/14444862/obama-refugee-ban-2011 “The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.” This is wrong in every particular. Obama’s Iraqi visa policy in 2011 did not ban Iraqis from entering the country. Obama’s immigration policy did not treat people with passports from the seven countries as unusually dangerous terrorism threats. And Obama’s policies never approached anything like the breadth, cynicism, and incompetence of Trump’s executive order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Omni said: http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/31/14444862/obama-refugee-ban-2011 “The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.” This is wrong in every particular. Obama’s Iraqi visa policy in 2011 did not ban Iraqis from entering the country. Obama’s immigration policy did not treat people with passports from the seven countries as unusually dangerous terrorism threats. And Obama’s policies never approached anything like the breadth, cynicism, and incompetence of Trump’s executive order. :shrug: They got those countries from Obama's list. So far, no one from Obama admin had come forward to contradict that. So, there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, betsy said: :shrug: They got those countries from Obama's list. So far, no one from Obama admin had come forward to contradict that. So, there. There what? Maybe you don't read well?. Did you happen to notice the comment about "Trump's incompetence" in the piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: There what? Maybe you don't read well?. Did you happen to notice the comment about "Trump's incompetence" in the piece? We're not talking about Trump's incompetence. We're talking about those countries on the list. I even gave you the liberal rag, CNN - that should be a reassurance to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBeaver Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Please don't quote vox and cnn as reputable sources when it comes to Trump please, they've proven themselves quite slanted and biased and incapable of objective reporting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Oh boy. Now we learn that someone from the White House called Justin, and told him to call and convince Trump not to scrap NAFTA! I suppose some folks who are opposed to scrapping of NAFTA wanted to put Justin on the front line - in the line of fire. So what came after that talk with Trump? After all the back-patting and taking of credit? Now, our media is talking of a trade war! Talk about being used, huh? Edited May 9, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) AND....we learn that Justin treated Ivanka and some diplomats and business people to a broadway show. To the tune of $30,000 Canadian taxpayers' money. That was in March, folks. Where did it get us? Sucking up doesn't help.....especially when it's now being obvious, there's more to this Trump-Trudeau relationship than meets the eye. I still put my money on Trump - calculatingly humiliating and making life difficult for Trudeau. I really bet.....it's all about "pay-back" for Trudeau's taking potshots at Trump, and for being Obama's lackey. Edited May 9, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 2 hours ago, betsy said: I still put my money on Trump - calculatingly humiliating and making life difficult for Trudeau He'll likely be too busy being humiliated by his impeachment hearings to bug anybody. Plus he may have just committed a felony by trying to influence Sally Yates' testimony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Omni said: He'll likely be too busy being humiliated by his impeachment hearings to bug anybody. Plus he may have just committed a felony by trying to influence Sally Yates' testimony. We're not talking about Trump's other issues. We're talking about our PM's issues with Trump - which inevitably affects us all! Trudeau is reaping the fruit of his reckless partisan behaviour! Canada is the one who'll pay for it. Dearly. Edited May 9, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 minute ago, betsy said: We're not talking about Trump's other issues. We're talking about our PM's issues with Trump - which inevitably affects us all! Trudeau is reaping the fruit of his reckless partisan behaviour! Canada is the one who'll pay for it. Dearly. Why will we "pay" by keeping trade open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Omni said: Why will we "pay" by keeping trade open? Then, tell Christie Clark to shut up. She's fear-mongering about the soft lumber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, betsy said: Then, tell Christie Clark to shut up. She's fear-mongering about the soft lumber! She did a little tit for tat with Trump: you want to mess with our lumber, we'll mess with your coal. She's a politician, that's what they do. Luckily JT stepped in and along with Nieto calmed things down. Now NAFTA will be adjusted by negotiations, not an orange faced buffoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Omni said: She did a little tit for tat with Trump: you want to mess with our lumber, we'll mess with your coal. She's a politician, that's what they do. Luckily JT stepped in and along with Nieto calmed things down. Now NAFTA will be adjusted by negotiations, not an orange faced buffoon. If you hadn't noticed, Trump's been singling out Canada lately! Yeah....negotiations. Let's see who rules those negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, betsy said: If you hadn't noticed, Trump's been singling out Canada lately! Yeah....negotiations. Let's see who rules those negotiations. Trump has been chasing his tail ever since taking office is what I've noticed. He makes wild claims and then climbs onto AF 1 and heads to Mara Laga while cooler heads calm things back down, or he signs something and the courts throw it out. nafta will be reworked by people who hopefully know what they're doing, and the Hair will trying to put the fires out over firing Comey, or his faulty healthcare bill, or who knows what the next cartoon will involve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Omni said: Trump has been chasing his tail ever since taking office is what I've noticed. He makes wild claims and then climbs onto AF 1 and heads to Mara Laga while cooler heads calm things back down, or he signs something and the courts throw it out. nafta will be reworked by people who hopefully know what they're doing, and the Hair will trying to put the fires out over firing Comey, or his faulty healthcare bill, or who knows what the next cartoon will involve Stick to the issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, betsy said: Stick to the issue! This is to the issue, how can Trump use JT as a pawn when he can't even run his own office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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