Thus Week in Political Correctness

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1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

So, you disagree with history ?

What history? I'm not aware of any notable international bodies of historical scholars that have declared that Islam is Western Civilization's historical enemy.

The claim seems to imply there's an international authority of some sort that's taken this opinion and processed it into a fact. Take the process that determined Pluto's designation for example.  Have you got anything like that to back up this ridiculous assertion you're supporting?

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I didn't like WW2....it didn't happen either.

You're as entitled to that opinion as you are your other one.

Edited December 14, 2016 by eyeball

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes, I suppose retreating into Stupidville when you're forced to put up or shut-up is an other option.

Listen, I know facts are hard for you and you have some kind imof need to deny history. 

https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/muslim-crusades-started-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/

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14 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Listen, I know facts are hard for you and you have some kind imof need to deny history. 

https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/muslim-crusades-started-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/

I couldn't help but also notice this from your body of international historical scholars;

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Did You Know?- Jesus’ Resurrection Proven by Early Non-Christian Writers

 

I recall you complaining shortly after you started posting here about having to provide a credible source of information to back up the stuff you say and it's obvious why, You really really suck at it.

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Just now, eyeball said:

I couldn't help but also notice this from your body of international historical scholars;

I recall you complaining shortly after you started posting here about having to provide a credible source of information to back up the stuff you say and it's obvious why, You really really suck at it.

This shold help you come to terms with your empathy correctness. 

 

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

I recall you complaining shortly after you started posting here about having to provide a credible source of information to back up the stuff you say and it's obvious why, You really really suck at it.

I dont see that in the link at all. Are you debating the link or are you debating history,  cause you're really really bad at it.

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1 minute ago, drummindiver said:

This shold help you come to terms with your empathy correctness. 

 

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm

I doubt it.

Lets see...scroll to bottom of page and...

Articles by James Arlandson
Answering Islam Home Page

Hmmm, who's at Home I wonder....

Click on About Us Page...

 

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Who is (behind) "Answering Islam" ?

Many people send us emails asking who we are, what are our qualifications to speak on Islam, what is our statement of faith, etc.

Some say, that they love our site, and would like to recommend it to others, but cannot do so before they know who we are and what exactly we believe.

If you are one who seeks answers to these questions, we would like to ask you: What would you need these answers for? Why is the (usually acknowledged) quality of our material not enough for you?

We have no desire that people believe our arguments just because some respectable names of persons, organizations or churches are attached to the site. Often the question comes from Christians who want to be sure, we are evangelical Christians, before they can trust or recommend us.

We do not want Christians (or anyone else) to believe what we write is correct just because we claim to be evangelical, or because we can tout some academic titles to the names of our authors, but because the arguments are biblical, well documented, and logically sound.

A bunch of fricken loons, just like I thought.

I thought you were an atheist?

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

2 hours ago, drummindiver said:

So, you disagree with history ?

What history? I'm not aware of any notable international bodies of historical scholars that have declared that Islam is Western Civilization's historical enemy.

So all the history books mentioning not only Islamic crusades but Christian crusads  had it wrong? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

 

A bunch of fricken loons, just like I thought.

I thought you were an atheist?

 

 

 

 

I am an atheist.

I posted this for the historical reference.

You are trying to make the debate about the link. 

Again,   you are denying both Islamic and Christian crusads? 

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12 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

I dont see that in the link at all. Are you debating the link or are you debating history,  cause you're really really bad at it.

No, we're debating your credibility. Look at the top of the side bar to the left of the main text your scholar's have produced.

You say you're an atheist yet you cite Evangelical Christians as credible sources of historical facts? Nobody but nobody will ever be able to establish your credibility better than yourself.

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4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

So all the history books mentioning not only Islamic crusades but Christian crusads  had it wrong? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

I doubt switching to geography is going to help you.

Hey...is DOP coaching you via private messaging? I recognize the style.

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On 13/12/2016 at 10:33 PM, eyeball said:

No, we're debating your credibility. Look at the top of the side bar to the left of the main text your scholar's have produced.

You say you're an atheist yet you cite Evangelical Christians as credible sources of historical facts? Nobody but nobody will ever be able to establish your credibility better than yourself.

No. You have stated ad nauseum that the west and Islam are not historical enemies,  shouting down any non complying statement's and calling names.  

I have proven you incintrovertably wrong and you don't like it so you resort to ad hom.

Same old same old.

Edited January 15, 2017 by drummindiver

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt switching to geography is going to help you.

Hey...is DOP coaching you via private messaging? I recognize the style.

Im just inforing you what western civilization means cause I don't think you know.

So, you ad hoc me and now drag @DogOnPorch into it?

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4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

I am an atheist.

I posted this for the historical reference.

You are trying to make the debate about the link. 

No, I'm making it about your credibility, thanks for the help.

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Again,   you are denying both Islamic and Christian crusads?

Again? Where and when did I deny these happened the first time? Show me specifically - you will find a link directly to the post if you know what you're doing.  

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8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

You say you're an atheist yet you cite Evangelical Christians as credible sources of historical facts? Nobody but nobody will ever be able to establish your credibility better than yourself.

Lol. I can't link with a dogma I don't believe in?

Try debating the history.  You can't.  Throw your tantrum. 

 

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On 13/12/2016 at 6:05 PM, drummindiver said:

 

 

On 13/12/2016 at 6:07 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Western Civilization's historical enemy is the mosquito.   Mosquitoes pre-date Islam by a mile.  I hate mosquitoes, and so do you and everyone you know.  I've murdered hundreds of them in my rage. I've tried countless times to ethnically cleanse my yard of mosquitoes. In fact, the more I kill them the more they seem to bite me!

 

On 13/12/2016 at 6:21 PM, drummindiver said:

Mosquitos kill more people every year and have killed more people than anything in history. Would love if the gmo type erradiated them,  but integral part of the food chain. Sorry , drift.

Even if you don't like a fact,  it does not negate the fact.

 

 

On 13/12/2016 at 6:56 PM, eyeball said:

Stating that an opinion is a fact is a mistake.

 

On 13/12/2016 at 7:10 PM, drummindiver said:

I agree. Are you suggesting the Islamist world and the Western world have not historically been at odds?

 

On 13/12/2016 at 7:51 PM, eyeball said:

I'm simply arguing that it's not a fact because it's merely an opinion, one I disagree with.

 

On 13/12/2016 at 9:42 PM, eyeball said:

What history? I'm not aware of any notable international bodies of historical scholars that have declared that Islam is Western Civilization's historical enemy.

The claim seems to imply there's an international authority of some sort that's taken this opinion and processed it into a fact. Take the process that determined Pluto's designation for example.  Have you got anything like that to back up this ridiculous assertion you're supporting?

You're as entitled to that opinion as you are your other one.

 

On 13/12/2016 at 9:50 PM, drummindiver said:

Listen, I know facts are hard for you and you have some kind imof need to deny history. 

https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/muslim-crusades-started-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/

 

On 13/12/2016 at 10:08 PM, eyeball said:

I couldn't help but also notice this from your body of international historical scholars;

I recall you complaining shortly after you started posting here about having to provide a credible source of information to back up the stuff you say and it's obvious why, You really really suck at it.

This is the meat of your denial that the west and Islam were not historical enemies.  I left out your ad hom.

Edited January 15, 2017 by drummindiver

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On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 1:17 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Islam is Western Civilization's historical enemy. Anything other than that is spin.

Sorry.  This should have been the first quote in my previous post. I though I had hit it.

Edited December 14, 2016 by drummindiver

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16 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

No. You have stated ad nauseum that the west and Islam are not historical enemies,

No I haven't.

If you look carefully you'll see I've only made one statement in this exchange and if you recall, you agreed with it.

 

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17 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Im just inforing you what western civilization means cause I don't think you know.

What a thing means is an opinion, what a thing is is not. See the difference?

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So, you ad hoc me and now drag @DogOnPorch into it?

He stated an opinion was a fact and you supported him. He's still in it AFAIC. 

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18 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Lol. I can't link with a dogma I don't believe in?

Not if you expect to be taken seriously.

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I agreed that stating an opinion as fact is a mistake. What would you call denying history?

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 1:17 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Islam is Western Civilization's historical enemy. Anything other than that is spin.

 

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Stating that an opinion is a fact is a mistake.

 

4 hours ago, drummindiver said:

I agree. Are you suggesting the Islamist world and the Western world have not historically been at odds?

 

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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not if you expect to be taken seriously.

Lol. You hate to be proven wrong,  don't you?

I've linked to all matter of dogma on this forum as have the majority here.

You're starting to emberass yourself.

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15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What a thing means is an opinion, what a thing is is not. See the difference?

He stated an opinion was a fact and you supported him. He's still in it AFAIC. 

Exactly. You are wrong is fact.

You think you are right is opinion.

DoG stated a fact. Him stating an opinion was in fact your opinion. See what I mean?

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1 minute ago, drummindiver said:

I've linked to all matter of dogma on this forum as have the majority here.

Most people try to link to credible information to make their case not dogma they don't believe in. It's just bizarre.  

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You're starting to emberass yourself.

Emberass eh...if you say so.

 

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4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Exactly. You are wrong is fact.

You think you are right is opinion.

DoG stated a fact. Him stating an opinion was in fact your opinion. See what I mean?

No, I'm afraid not.

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11 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

I agreed that stating an opinion as fact is a mistake. What would you call denying history?

That The West is Islam's historical enemy.

 

  4 hours ago, drummindiver said:

I agree. Are you suggesting the Islamist world and the Western world have not historically been at odds?

 

Not at all. I'm simply denying that what this means is simply an opinion and not a fact. I do not share the opinion that Islam and the West were born mutually exclusive enemies that are forever fated to die as enemies...notwithstanding the West's apparent efforts to see that fate realized.