When will populism come to Canada?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

....Trump's economic policies are very much in-line with previous fascist states. 

 

...and many other U.S. presidents.   Trump will never be as big a "fascist" than was FDR, who was very popular in Canada.  "Fascist" foreign leaders who benefit Canada are often quite acceptable because of Canadian interests.  

[Canadianjim]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and many other U.S. presidents.   Trump will never be as big a "fascist" than was FDR, who was very popular in Canada.  "Fascist" foreign leaders who benefit Canada are often quite acceptable because of Canadian interests.  

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and many other U.S. presidents.   Trump will never be as big a "fascist" than was FDR, who was very popular in Canada.  "Fascist" foreign leaders who benefit Canada are often quite acceptable because of Canadian interests.  

 

The New Deal...the kids forget...or never learned.

[Canadianjim]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The New Deal...the kids forget...or never learned.

Nothing to do with fascism  whether you liked it or not. Fascism is extreme right wing ideology.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

The New Deal...the kids forget...or never learned.

 

Agreed....they have no idea what FDR did.   Trump wants deportations...just like Obama...not internment camps so popular in Canada and the U.S.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

Nothing to do with fascism  whether you liked it or not. Fascism is extreme right wing ideology.

 On the political rainbow, Stalin and Hitler shake hands on the far side.

[Canadianjim]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 On the political rainbow, Stalin and Hitler shake hands on the far side.

Lol... so your are one of those guys that believes the DPRK is a democracy  because that's what they call themselves ? \Geezuz man how soon did you drop out?.

DPRK  Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea......

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed....they have no idea what FDR did.   Trump wants deportations...just like Obama...not internment camps so popular in Canada and the U.S.

 

FDR struck a chord with the grass roots...but so did Bonnie and Clyde during the Great Depression.

Dec 7th...there was no mincing with who-did-what-to-who. Unlike now. And...some Japanese-Americans did assist the Homeland by providing the names of ships in port and depth measurements around Pearl for the development of Long Lance shallow water torps.

That's just history.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

Lol... so your are one of those guys that believes the DPRK is a democracy  because that's what they call themselves ? \Geezuz man how soon did you drop out?.

DPRK  Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea......

I think YOU said that, actually.

[Canadianjim]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

I think YOU said that, actually.

Lol...sure... The Nazis were National Socialists because they called themselves socialists right? Just like the DPRK is a Democracy because that's what they call themselves.  

Oh by the  way  Hitler killed far more communists than he did Jews. No hand shaking.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

FDR struck a chord with the grass roots...

 

Yes...FDR was every bit a populist turned fascist because of the times.   Canada loved the fascist FDR.   Trump will never rule with such unchecked power.

The Uncanny Parallels Between Donald Trump And FDR

[DogOnPorch]

It's those warm...fatherly fireside chats.

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

You can call it populism but I call it fascism. Trump is a classic fascist. 

According to a panel of experts the Washington Post questioned who've studied fascism, Trump rates 26 out of a scale of 44. They describe him as being semi-fascist.

The overlty missing ingredients are street level thugs like Blackshirts who intimidate and prevent potential competing viewpoints to gain traction and a emphasis on youth and master race crap.

Perhaps the next demagogue.

www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2016/10/24/washpost-asks-how-fascist-donald-trump-answer-semi-fascist

[Canadianjim]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

According to a panel of experts the Washington Post questioned who've studied fascism, Trump rates 26 out of a scale of 44. They describe him as being semi-fascist.

The overlty missing ingredients are street level thugs like Blackshirts who intimidate and prevent potential competing viewpoints to gain traction and a emphasis on youth and master race crap.

Perhaps the next demagogue.

www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2016/10/24/washpost-asks-how-fascist-donald-trump-answer-semi-fascist

Master Race? American exceptionalism... as far as brown shirts.... He isn't president yet... Be patient. He already has the neo nazis, white supremacists and KKK in his camp.

[Canadianjim]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes...FDR was every bit a populist turned fascist because of the times.   Canada loved the fascist FDR.   Trump will never rule with such unchecked power.

The Uncanny Parallels Between Donald Trump And FDR

Of course he won't. And Ted Cruz's dad killed kennedy. And his supporters believe Obama is a kenyan born muslim. These are irrational, rabid extremists.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Canadianjim

[Argus]

3 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Historically fascist states have allowed significant private business interests to thrive. As long as those business interests served the the goals of the state, they would be allowed to grow and would be promoted by the state through lucrative tax incentives, acquisition of services, and even direct investment. There is no incompatibility between private education and a fascist state, in fact it would grow and thrive in a fascist state. Corporatism was a significant part of early 20th century fascist states, with strong domestic mega corporations emerging. It was international investment and trade that was discouraged, with protectionist measures put in place to build strong domestic corporations. Trump's economic policies are very much in-line with previous fascist states. 

You don't specifically know what Trump's economic policies will be, but nothing he's announced thus far is novel to western politics, let alone American politics. The American politicians have always been rah-rah nationalists, and Republicans, in particular, have long been both bible thumpers and vocal supporters of the police, military and Wall Street. The only thing Trump has brought to the table which is at all novel (aside from his crude, sophomoric insults) is openly trading on Americans' longstanding discomfort with their uncontrolled southern border and being rude to Muslims. But that discomfort was deep and wide well before Trump came on the scene. It's just that Liberals couldn't admit it because the illegals are brown skinned, and the Republicans didn't want to spend the money to do anything about it (plus cheap labor helps agricultural states and business).

Yes, Trump had the balls, or gall, or disdain for convention, to openly appeal to fear of 'the other'. Most Republicans do so more discretely, but I don't think Trump is any more a Fascist than the rest of the Republicans. It's just that he's so ill-mannered and so lacking in any sort of concern for who he offends.

[bush_cheney2004]

38 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Master Race? American exceptionalism... as far as brown shirts.... He isn't president yet... Be patient. He already has the neo nazis, white supremacists and KKK in his camp.

 

What if he does ?   They are Americans too.    Canada will get to watch, like always.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Canadianjim said:

Nothing to do with fascism  whether you liked it or not. Fascism is extreme right wing ideology.

That's irrelevant. I don't think Trump is even a conservative, much less 'extreme right wing'. I don't think Trump really has a political ideology, or has ever even read up on any of them. He is simply one of those politicians who says whatever he thinks will make him popular among voters.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 On the political rainbow, Stalin and Hitler shake hands on the far side.

The practical realities of life under Communists and Fascists are not entirely dissimilar, unless you happen to be a Jew. Then again, the Stalinists weren't overly kind to Jews and minorities either.

[Canadianjim]

Not even close to similar. The mistake a lot of people make is believing what someone calls themselves. Connecting their political  association with their actions. I could make the case ,capitalism was responsible for torture and lies about WMD's. I could say capitalism caused the american soldiers to rape a 14 year old girl and set her on fire.

I am sure you would disagree that had anything to do with capitalism.

Stalin's atrocities were not caused by  communism. Neither were  Bush's atrocities caused by capitalism.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Canadianjim

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Stalin's atrocities were not caused by  communism.

Stalin's atrocities were spawned by the mindset which embraces Communism.

And comparing Bush to him is obscene.

[Canadianjim]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Stalin's atrocities were spawned by the mindset which embraces Communism.

And comparing Bush to him is obscene.

Unless it was your daughter who was raped and burned to death. Or your mother who had bomb land on her head. Every monster  in history  always tries to justify their atrocity as somehow not being an atrocity. Did  you think you were being original?

[Argus]

8 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Unless it was your daughter who was raped and burned to death. Or your mother who had bomb land on her head. Every monster  in history  always tries to justify their atrocity as somehow not being an atrocity. Did  you think you were being original?

Bush was not a monster, but simply a not-too-smart politician. Stalin, on the other hand, deliberately starved millions of people to death. If you can't tell the difference there's little help for you. But I suppose everyone hates to hear bad things about his own pet ideological beliefs...

[Argus]

Now let's talk about populism in Canada.

But will boring competence cut it in 2019 in a world with an increasingly short attention span, an insatiable need for 140-character gratification (think Donald Trump), and a constant desire to be entertained?

Likely not.

This is why the more anxious side of the public, and the media in particular, is almost begging for brash businessman and “Mr. Wonderful” Kevin O’Leary to toss his name into the ring for the leadership of the Conservatives.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/16/is-kevin-oleary-the-nowhere-man-todays-politics-craves

Edited December 18, 2016 by Argus

[Canadianjim]

36 minutes ago, Argus said:

Now let's talk about populism in Canada.

But will boring competence cut it in 2019 in a world with an increasingly short attention span, an insatiable need for 140-character gratification (think Donald Trump), and a constant desire to be entertained?

Likely not.

This is why the more anxious side of the public, and the media in particular, is almost begging for brash businessman and “Mr. Wonderful” Kevin O’Leary to toss his name into the ring for the leadership of the Conservatives.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/16/is-kevin-oleary-the-nowhere-man-todays-politics-craves

I have no idea of the point you are trying to make. You'll have to be more specific.