New Ottawa hospital.

[PIK]

Now you would think this would not belong here.But it seems the federals liberal intervened and has really screwed the pooch. Harper government had a site picked to build a new one, on a site everyone was happy with. But since the liberasl want to change everything Harper has done ,sent it back to be re done. I imagine they told the NCC what they wanted ,because the NCC has now done a 180 and said no to the site across from the old one, and picked tunny's pasture,that actually was 6th on the original spots to build on. It is to far away, to far from the 417 and going to be a lot more expensive to build on.

The Ottawa Hospital said in a statement Thursday that Tunney's Pasture "was not among the top-rated sites" in its 2008 and 2016 reports, citing traffic issues as well as cost and timelines due to the need to relocate federal government departments and demolish current structures. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tunneys-pasture-ottawa-hospital-reaction-1.3866164

Now the farm site land is no good because of road salt, so the experimental farm does not use it. Now it has been use for some experiments but that is not a problem.

Edited December 1, 2016 by PIK

[Argus]

7 hours ago, PIK said:

Now you would think this would not belong here.But it seems the federals liberal intervened and has really screwed the pooch. Harper government had a site picked to build a new one, on a site everyone was happy with. But since the liberasl want to change everything Harper has done ,sent it back to be re done. I imagine they told the NCC what they wanted ,because the NCC has now done a 180 and said no to the site across from the old one, and picked tunny's pasture,that actually was 6th on the original spots to build on. It is to far away, to far from the 417 and going to be a lot more expensive to build on.

The Ottawa Hospital said in a statement Thursday that Tunney's Pasture "was not among the top-rated sites" in its 2008 and 2016 reports, citing traffic issues as well as cost and timelines due to the need to relocate federal government departments and demolish current structures. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tunneys-pasture-ottawa-hospital-reaction-1.3866164

Now the farm site land is no good because of road salt, so the experimental farm does not use it. Now it has been use for some experiments but that is not a problem.

I doubt you'll see much discussion on this topic as it's mainly of interest to locals. But it does look like another example of "Whatever the Conservatives did, we ahve to change", with the minister basically having a panel of Liberal party lackeys with little or no knowledge of health care selecting the site she wanted to put the hospital because, apparently, it wasn't where the tories wanted it. It never made a lick of sense, and the hospital has already said no. I suspect Ottawa's mayor, who has a lot of ties to the provincial Liberals, was behind all local Liberal MPPs coming out against the plan, which, when he 'joined in' put enough pressure on the federal minister to shift the location again.

[PIK]

21 hours ago, Argus said:

I doubt you'll see much discussion on this topic as it's mainly of interest to locals. But it does look like another example of "Whatever the Conservatives did, we ahve to change", with the minister basically having a panel of Liberal party lackeys with little or no knowledge of health care selecting the site she wanted to put the hospital because, apparently, it wasn't where the tories wanted it. It never made a lick of sense, and the hospital has already said no. I suspect Ottawa's mayor, who has a lot of ties to the provincial Liberals, was behind all local Liberal MPPs coming out against the plan, which, when he 'joined in' put enough pressure on the federal minister to shift the location again.

Well they just picked a different site. It is still on the experimental farm,but not the site the hospital wanted right across the street, on land contaminated by road salt and is useless. Out of 4 sites on the farm this was 4th. So IMO the liberals had the NCC pick the most useless spot and then the liberals come in with a compromise and look like heroes. 

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Argus said:

I doubt you'll see much discussion on this topic as it's mainly of interest to locals. But it does look like another example of "Whatever the Conservatives did, we ahve to change", with the minister basically having a panel of Liberal party lackeys with little or no knowledge of health care selecting the site she wanted to put the hospital because, apparently, it wasn't where the tories wanted it. It never made a lick of sense, and the hospital has already said no. I suspect Ottawa's mayor, who has a lot of ties to the provincial Liberals, was behind all local Liberal MPPs coming out against the plan, which, when he 'joined in' put enough pressure on the federal minister to shift the location again.

More of our tax dollars at work wasted. These politicians certainly do know how to blow tax dollars. They just don't seem to give a crap about taxpayer's tax dollars. I think that it must be a part of their job description. Maybe all politicians should be made to take a course in money management.and economics rather than on wasteful spending foolishness that appears to be what they are pretty much great at. Appearing politically correct appears to be the only thing they are really good at, plus blowing tax dollars. Pathetic indeed. 

[PIK]

It was pretty pathetic hearing today how hard the liberal worked to get this done when 10 yrs was put in by the last government to find the site the hospital wanted.

[Argus]

19 hours ago, PIK said:

It was pretty pathetic hearing today how hard the liberal worked to get this done when 10 yrs was put in by the last government to find the site the hospital wanted.

Actually, all the last government did was accede to the hospital's request. It seemed too logical to say no. But then we had all these protests from idiots of the left who waxed prosaic on the historical nature of the farm and the 'world leading' agricultural research going on. All of it was patently absurd, especially as it emerged that half the land Baird gave the hospital was not used for research anyway.

The whole point of having a 1200 acre farm in the middle of a city escapes me. I understand that it was there before the city grew up and moved south around it. But now it's an absurd anachronism right in the heart of the city. And there's no reason I can figure out why it shouldn't simply be moved to less valuable land in a rural area other than the employees don't want to live in a rural area and keep pretending it's quite impossible to move. If it wasn't owned by the federal government it would long since have been expropriated or bought out. Part of it would make a nice park, and the rest ought to be sold off.

 

Edited December 3, 2016 by Argus

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Argus said:

But then we had all these protests from idiots of the left

Point of order...would somebody please tell Argus this is a thread about the Liberals, not the left.

[?Impact]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

The whole point of having a 1200 acre farm in the middle of a city escapes me.

There are 843 acres of green space in the middle of Manhattan due to the foresight of city planners over 150 years ago. I am sure there were a lot of people then, and in the intervening years that didn't get the point.

[Argus]

34 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

There are 843 acres of green space in the middle of Manhattan due to the foresight of city planners over 150 years ago. I am sure there were a lot of people then, and in the intervening years that didn't get the point.

Central Park is a lovely area in the middle of Manhattan filled with all manner of places for people to relax. It has ponds and jogging paths, concert venues, a zoo and a lot of other things. It's a major green space in an area which is otherwise hugely built up.

Ottawa is not hugely built up. A short trip in several directions will put you right in the middle of huge green spaces, including the Gatineau Hills to the North, and miles and miles of forest and farmland to the east, west and south. And the Agricultural farm is, for the most part, not open to the public. It's a farm which grows crops. There are areas within it which accept groups, such as schoolkids, bringing them in to visit the ornamental gardens and museum, for example, but most of the land is simply cropland growing corn and wheat and barley, so it's not like anyone can sunbath or jog or bicycle through it.

It's also located right next to Vincent Massey Park, a very large green space on either side of the Rideau River filled with jogging paths picnic areas, etc.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Argus

[?Impact]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Central Park is a lovely area in

150 years ago, a short trip from Manhattan would put you right in the middle of huge green spaces, and central park was nothing like it is today with the ponds, jogging paths, concert venues, zoos, etc. This is about greenspace in the middle of a rapidly growing city.

[Argus]

Just now, ?Impact said:

150 years ago, a short trip from Manhattan would put you right in the middle of huge green spaces, and central park was nothing like it is today with the ponds, jogging paths, concert venues, zoos, etc. This is about greenspace in the middle of a rapidly growing city.

Realistically, there is no way that the Ottawa area will EVER be anywhere near as built up as Manhattan. Plus, Gatineau Park, which is just across the Ottawa river, operated by the NCC, is about 360 square KILOMETERS in size, and features every manner of outdoor activity imaginable, winter and summer.

Vincent Massey itself is already 100 acres, and I'm not adverse to adding part of the Agricultural Farm to it to enlarge it, but we have no need of a 1200 acre farm.

[cannuck]

On 12/3/2016 at 11:30 AM, eyeball said:

Point of order...would somebody please tell Argus this is a thread about the Liberals, not the left.

Duh!!!!  Liberals = New Democrats = (expletive deleted) Left/.   Any "differences" are purely semantic.

[PIK]

The new site is also contaminated and will cost a fortune to get ready. McKenna needs to step down, she is a walking disaster.