French teen jailed for naming his WiFi as DAESH21

[Altai]

What do you think about this event ? Is it a true decision or wrong decision ?


" a French court has handed a three-month suspended jail sentence to a teenager who named his domestic Wi-Fi network after the DAESH terrorist group."

http://crackdownchronicles.com/anti-terror-policies/french-teen-gets-jail-sentence-for-naming-wi-fi-network-after-daesh/

[Guest]

Utterly ridiculous.  The French ought to be ashamed of themselves.  Liberty indeed.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Utterly ridiculous.  The French ought to be ashamed of themselves.  Liberty indeed.

Why? Expressing support for a known terrorist group should be okay?

[eyeball]

This is hilarious, the word Daesh expresses contempt not support. Terrorists hate the word.

[Altai]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This is hilarious, the word Daesh expresses contempt not support. Terrorists hate the word.

Nope its used as the Arabic acronym of ISIS. 

[eyeball]

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Over the last few months, there has been a concerted effort by several senior global politicians to give a new name to the group known as ISIS, or Islamic State, IS or ISIL. That new name is ‘Daesh’. If you’ve followed coverage of this attempted official linguistic sea change, you’ll have gathered that the new name, although it’s just an Arabic acronym equivalent to the English ‘ISIS’, apparently delegitimises the organisation, mocks them, and thus drives them to threaten taking violent retribution on anyone who uses it.

https://www.freewordcentre.com/explore/daesh-isis-media-alice-guthrie

 

There are several other sources that say the same thing.

[Bonam]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

Why? Expressing support for a known terrorist group should be okay?

Because protections around free speech should extend to how you name your wifi network? 

[The_Squid]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

Why? Expressing support for a known terrorist group should be okay?

First, I have some doubt that this actually occurred, given the source of the OP...   but:

So you are saying you can get into the head of an individual by assessing their WIFI network name?   You are truly amazing...  psychic almost!

What if he was being ironic?  Or just rude?  He deserves jail for that?  

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, The_Squid said:

What if he was being ironic?  Or just rude?  He deserves jail for that?  

Yes, because we live in an era when it's more important to be politically correct than law-abiding. As we shall see tomorrow.

[The_Squid]

28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Yes, because we live in an era when it's more important to be politically correct than law-abiding. As we shall see tomorrow.

You are comparing the possibility of a French teen being arrested for his WIFI network name to the American election?   Talk about a massive leap!!!  Try and stick to the topic...

[Argus]

4 hours ago, The_Squid said:

First, I have some doubt that this actually occurred, given the source of the OP...   but:

So you are saying you can get into the head of an individual by assessing their WIFI network name?   You are truly amazing...  psychic almost!

What if he was being ironic?  Or just rude?  He deserves jail for that?  

He wasn't sent to jail.

As for why he named it Daesh, he was asked repeatedly and would not say.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Argus

[The_Squid]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

He wasn't sent to jail.

As for why he named it Daesh, he was asked repeatedly and would not say.

So he deserves to be arrested for not answering questions?  That's ridiculous.

[OftenWrong]

32 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

You are comparing the possibility of a French teen being arrested for his WIFI network name to the American election?   Talk about a massive leap!!!  Try and stick to the topic...

"Yes, because we live in an era when it's more important to be politically correct than law abiding."

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Argus said:

Why? Expressing support for a known terrorist group should be okay?

It depends what you mean by okay.  You might not want to be his friend. 

[Altai]

12 hours ago, The_Squid said:

First, I have some doubt that this actually occurred, given the source of the OP...  

You can google it if you have a hand and a brain and a wifi which is not named with a terror organization acronym.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/05/french-teen-gets-suspended-jail-sentence-for-naming-wi-fi-network-after-isis

Edited November 8, 2016 by Altai

[Argus]

16 hours ago, The_Squid said:

So he deserves to be arrested for not answering questions?  That's ridiculous.

Maybe you'll think differently when we have a number of large Islamic terrorist attacks.

[The_Squid]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Maybe you'll think differently when we have a number of large Islamic terrorist attacks.

I think we can prevent attacks without arresting everyone with an odd WIFI network name.....  that's just sheer stupidity.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Maybe you'll think differently when we have a number of large Islamic terrorist attacks.

Don't you think that if he was planning the Islamic Apocalypse he would call his WiFi something else?

Edited November 9, 2016 by bcsapper

[GostHacked]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Maybe you'll think differently when we have a number of large Islamic terrorist attacks.

Ah yes, the guilty until proven innocent notion. Why do you hate democracy and freedom?

[Argus]

22 hours ago, The_Squid said:

I think we can prevent attacks without arresting everyone with an odd WIFI network name.....  that's just sheer stupidity.

One way to prevent attacks is to focus on those who might be showing sympathy for terrorists.

[Argus]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Don't you think that if he was planning the Islamic Apocalypse he would call his WiFi something else?

No. I think people supporting ISIS are universally dumb. 

[?Impact]

Is there any significance of the '21'? The French law is about publicly praising ISIS, and I'm wondering how this could be construed as meaning that. 

[marcus]

France continues to kill free speech with actions such as this. It's a false sense of control. 

If they want to clean-up extremism, these are the steps they would need to take:

- Get out of foreign conflicts
- Beef up internal security and cyber-security
- Acknowledge that the ghettos they have created where many northern african migrants end up is a breading ground for extremism
- Get rid of stupid anti-free speech laws and anti-muslim bathing suit laws 

Edited November 15, 2016 by marcus

[Rue]

On ‎2016‎-‎11‎-‎15 at 1:57 PM, marcus said:

France continues to kill free speech with actions such as this. It's a false sense of control. 

If they want to clean-up extremism, these are the steps they would need to take:

- Get out of foreign conflicts
- Beef up internal security and cyber-security
- Acknowledge that the ghettos they have created where many northern african migrants end up is a breading ground for extremism
- Get rid of stupid anti-free speech laws and anti-muslim bathing suit laws 

In regards to beefing up internal security and cyber security you might want to check with Eye, Squid, BC Sapper et al on th is thread who have issued positions that using terrorist organization names on internet sites is not problematic. They seem to put a wrench in how internet security and cyber-security will be "beefed" up.

Oh do tell what do you mean by "beefed up". Do you mean hire all these big beefy men to work in national security? I have visions of thousands of Dwayne the Rock Johnsons sitting at desks monitoring people's e-sites.

Next explain who "they" are and how "they" set up ghettos of northern African migrants.Is their a Mkinister of Ghettos? Did they use giuns, pitch forks, what exactly to impose these ghettos?  Who is this "they" and how did "they" do it and while you are stereotyping the nation of France for this do remember Eva Green, Aisa Maiga and Emmanuelle  Beart are Godesses and exempt from your smeer.

Once you are it how do you deny that  fundamentalist Muslims in France select, that is to say choose freely to exercise their democratic right  to segregate away from non Muslims and refuse to change their values but instead self isolate so they do NOT have to assimilate or tolerate any beliefs other than their own.. You want to deny that? You want to pretend they do not self impose their ghetto based on their value system which tells them to? Its all forced on them by French people is it...right.

You want to pretend no Muslim in France chooses to self-segregate and its all forced on them? Is that your position? State it.

Next let's talk about what you call "stupid anti-French speech laws". Sure they are stupid because, what you say so?

In a democracy there is freedom of speech but it has always had limits. No it does not mean you can preach extremist views of terrorism, hatred, segregationist fundamentalist religious belief. Yah its called limits. Limitations. No you can't go into a movie theatre and scream fire. No you can't preach openly you are in favour of a belief system that ridicules freedom of speech, democracy and the right of individuals to think freely.

No democracies and people who believe in freedom of speech do not have to sit passively as people dedicated to wiping them out mock their way of life.

No French citizen, no citizen in any free country is obliged to tolerate intolerance.

I am a Jew. I can choose to be ultra-Orthodox and cut myself from mainstream society and self segregate. Many do. So do Amish. So do other religious and sects. Don't pretend they don't choose to do this.

If you can't grasp the limitations of freedom of speech or the fact that some people choose and embrace totalitarian or fundamentalist views that clash with democratic values good for you. Most of us can and no we do not have to let them dominate and dictate to us 2 standards one for us and one for them where they get to pick from whatever they like from each menu and ignore the rest.

This concept of self entitlement you have where people can be whatever they want as long as you agree with it is absurd.. 

Edited November 17, 2016 by Rue

[marcus]

10 minutes ago, Rue said:

In regards to beefing up internal security and cyber security you might want to check with Eye, Squid, BC Sapper. Their comments seem to suggest anyone can refer to themselves as a terrorist on the internet and should not be scrutinized.

This has nothing to do with my comment about security. People should be allowed to say whatever they want, name themselves what they like and write whatever books they want. France has a problem with free speech.

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Next explain who "they" are and how they set up ghettos of northern African migrants. Who is this they and how did they do it?  Do explain.

The French government. The municipality. There should be a program to integrate new immigrants by different levels of government. A good example of doing it right is what Canada did when we brought in 30,000+ refugees. There was a coordination between the federal government and different municipalities to take in a number of refugees in. Programs were waiting for them to start helping them adjust and adapt to the new life and culture.

In France, the refugees are allowed in and then there isn't much after that. They end up going to the cheapest and most familiar places, like the ghettos of Paris. 

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Once you are it how do you deny hat Muslims in France select, they exercise their free choice to segregate away from non Muslims. You want to deny that?

You want to pretend no Muslim in France chooses to self-segregate and its all forced on them? Is that your position?

 

Who is denying anything. When a person moves to a new country, it's only natural for them to want to be close to what is familiar to them. Can you blame a Moroccan for wanting to move into a Moroccan community? Especially when there is a lack of good programs post migration? 

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Next let's talk about what you call "stupid anti-French speech laws". Sure they are stupid because, what you say so?

Forcing a woman not to wear something at the beach = stupid anti-freedom of expression and anti-freedom of religion law

Forcing people to remove head scarves = stupid anti-freedom of expression and anti-freedom of law law. Especially when crosses and yarmulkes are allowed. It's targeted towards a specific group of people.

Jailing someone for writing a book that denies the holocaust = stupid anti-free speech law

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No you can't go into a movie theatre and scream fire. No you can't preach openly you are in favour of a belief system that ridicules freedom of speech, democracy and the right of individuals to think freely.

 

Screaming fire in a movie theater creates a situation where people could be hurt and not to mention that a movie theater is a private establishment where they have rules against these things. Once again, you are trying to equate two totally different things and expect it to be an argument.

Expressing yourself, no matter how stupid the expression may be, as long as it does not physically harm others should be allowed. It's allowed in the U.S., but is limited in France. I am advocating for the same free speech laws we see in the U.S. and disagreeing with France's borderline fascist laws.

So if a person like Shady advocates for carpet bombing Gaza, no matter how despicable it is, he should be allowed to. Just like if someone advocates for terrorist attacks on civilians, no matter how despicable it may be.