Maybe no Brexit exit.

[Penderyn]

12 hours ago, -TSS- said:

That figures; you have added your location since your last post on this topic. I was kind of wondering how on earth would a Canadian be so extremely furious about Britain leaving the EU.

Cheer up mate! There was life before the EU and there will definitely be life after the EU as well. Good life too.

For the Germans, doubtless.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2018-04-07 at 11:09 PM, -TSS- said:

That figures; you have added your location since your last post on this topic. I was kind of wondering how on earth would a Canadian be so extremely furious about Britain leaving the EU.

Cheer up mate! There was life before the EU and there will definitely be life after the EU as well. Good life too.

And the EU will survive without Britain too. 

[-TSS-]

Theresa May is definitely not Maggie; She is weak and predictable in the negotiations. No wonder Boris Johnson resigned.

[kactus]

Theresa May is s lame duck and has become a laughing stock for the rest of Europe. The question is what is the alternative to her?

Edited July 14, 2018 by kactus

[marcus]

15 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Theresa May is definitely not Maggie; She is weak and predictable in the negotiations. No wonder Boris Johnson resigned.

Boris Johnson is an opportunist clown. A clown who resigned because he saw a chance to run for leadership of the party as Theresa May is facing a revolt in the party. A party that never really wanted her there to begin with. 

Edited July 14, 2018 by marcus

[SpankyMcFarland]

The Brexiteers don’t understand that the EU position is not based on vindictiveness but fear. Bernier and Co. feel obliged to protect the internal market and its rules. They can’t give the Brits a super-duper bespoke deal because that would threaten the whole EU. It’s not personal. What’s unforgivable is that BJ and the lads didn’t agree on a realistic UK negotiating position before starting the clock running on Article 50. Instead a hard Brexit becomes more likely by the day. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Mrs.Thatcher took a very dim view of referendums and felt they were not in the British parliamentary tradition of government. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[-TSS-]

May herself is a remainer. The idea of her in charge of the negotiations for Brexit is laughable to begin with. As a remainer she obviously wants as bad a deal as possible and calls for a new referendum.

[Penderyn]

On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 2:48 AM, -TSS- said:

May herself is a remainer. The idea of her in charge of the negotiations for Brexit is laughable to begin with. As a remainer she obviously wants as bad a deal as possible and calls for a new referendum.

Her idiot sense of duty made her try to make a case for the madmen,  who just want to blame the evil EU as they cut their own fatuous throats.   The majority now want to get back to sense here.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The Brexiteers turned out to be woefully unprepared for the course of action they wished upon the country. They talked in Trumpian terms about how easy it would be and how a Germany desperate to sell Mercs would force the EU to accept whatever Britain dictated. Instead, May ended up concealing the reality of the compromises required from her own cabinet until the very last possible moment. 

Edited November 29, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[Wilber]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The Brexiteers turned out to be woefully unprepared for the course of action they wished upon the country. They talked in Trumpian terms about how easy it would be and how a Germany desperate to sell Mercs would force the EU to accept whatever Britain dictated. Instead, May ended up concealing the reality of the compromises required from her own cabinet until the very last possible moment. 

Yup. Don't forget all that extra money that could be spent on National Health.

[-TSS-]

Too many people voted for Brexit, the right decision, for the wrong reason. 

Namely, in terms of immigration Brexit will slow the flow of the Polish or Romanian immigrants but will not affect that from Pakistan or Bangladesh which always was the main gripe people had concerning immigration. 

[kactus]

Nonesense. The vote breakdown for brexit

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Too many people voted for Brexit, the right decision, for the wrong reason. 

Namely, in terms of immigration Brexit will slow the flow of the Polish or Romanian immigrants but will not affect that from Pakistan or Bangladesh which always was the main gripe people had concerning immigration. 

Aaah! So ir’s about the colour of skin.....I get that....

On that note those pakistanis were brought to the United Kingdom after WWII to build up the infrastructure of railways etc. So....being the second or third generation in UK I don’t think they give a damn about your take on Brexit nor mine. Just sayin...,

[Wilber]

4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Too many people voted for Brexit, the right decision, for the wrong reason. 

Namely, in terms of immigration Brexit will slow the flow of the Polish or Romanian immigrants but will not affect that from Pakistan or Bangladesh which always was the main gripe people had concerning immigration. 

Britain will be poorer regardless of whether there is a Brexit agreement or not.

[kactus]

42 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Britain will be poorer regardless of whether there is a Brexit agreement or not.

Yup! If or when he raises the interest rates it will hurt the pockets of those that have taken a hefty mortgage....

[SpankyMcFarland]

A small minority of MPs and voters want a hard Brexit but it could happen by accident if the Brits don’t get their act together. What a mess. 

[-TSS-]

Brexit may turn out to be harmful for Britain but so does it for the EU itself too. Hence all the butthurt comments by federalists. Losing a big country, the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world, is a devastating blow. 

If Cyprus or Malta (or Finland for that matter) seceded from the EU nobody outside of those countries would bat an eyelid about it. 

[Wilber]

3 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Brexit may turn out to be harmful for Britain but so does it for the EU itself too. Hence all the butthurt comments by federalists. Losing a big country, the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world, is a devastating blow. 

If Cyprus or Malta (or Finland for that matter) seceded from the EU nobody outside of those countries would bat an eyelid about it. 

Lose Lose, what could be better. 

[OftenWrong]

On 11/29/2018 at 4:09 PM, -TSS- said:

Too many people voted for Brexit, the right decision, for the wrong reason. 

Namely, in terms of immigration Brexit will slow the flow of the Polish or Romanian immigrants but will not affect that from Pakistan or Bangladesh which always was the main gripe people had concerning immigration. 

Now at least they don't have to comply with refugee levels imposed upon them by an outside organization, over whom they have no say. Britons chose more autonomy and with it, economic uncertainty, and even the prospect of increased poverty, over being ruled by a council they have no influence over. I cannot see any other sensible choice. The Brits have made their decision and now must live in it, but they are a pretty tough lot. They can and will endure.

God save the Queen!

[Wilber]

Seems the Norwegian option is not likely to be an option after all.

Norway doesn't have same values as Brexit.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here’s a parliamentary debate where Mrs. Thatcher voiced her scepticism of referendums (or plebiscites). 

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102649

In a country without a codified constitution it’s difficult to know what to do with the result.

Edited December 10, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[-TSS-]

So,Theresa May delayed the vote knowing well she would have lost. The deal on offer was not good for neither Brexiteers nor remainers. Now she tries to negotiate a new deal but the EU may not want that.

In the old system she could have threatened her own party MPs that either they vote for the deal or there will be new elections. Nowadays however early elections require a 2/3 support in parliament.

So she stays on at least for a time being but just like Merkel and Macron she is practically a political corpse.

[Guest]

Pretty much everyone who wasn't a rabid Europe hater now realizes how absolutely catastrophic this whole episode has been, and the only real solution is to do a Pamela Ewing.

[OftenWrong]

The EU is certainly not going to want Brexit to be seen as a good move for the Brits, for obvious reasons. PM May must be in a virtual panic as her available options keep getting smaller and smaller. Yet she somehow seems to remain quite calm and resolute. Britain owes her for having the courage to stick with it and see it through, rather than bailing and handing power to others at a critical, even dangerous time. However, I don't think giving it more time is going to help anymore.

I think the news today was yet another nail in the coffin for Globalism. This episode will feed already growing resentment at migrant/refugee integration based on terms of the EU, and will have repercussions elsewhere.

[Guest]

Much as I hate the fact that Agincourt and the Dambusters were all for nought, I think Brexit was a terrible idea.  It was too late.  Cameron ought to go down in UK history as an utter clown.