Should we bring back Capital Punishment for violent crimes.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 4, 2016

Here ya go.....fry 'em !

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/majority-canadians-support-death-penalty-poll-180253516.html

Yeay!!!!!!. Thank you.

A new Angus Reid poll released Wednesday, suggests that 63 per cent of Canadians are in favour of reinstating the death penalty.

The Angus Reid poll was conducted online between March 10th and 11th, 2013 with 1,514 randomly selected Canadian adults. The margin of error is +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Canadians want Capital punishment back politicians so you read this? ACT now!!

dre · September 4, 2016

Yeay!!!!!!. Thank you.

A new Angus Reid poll released Wednesday, suggests that 63 per cent of Canadians are in favour of reinstating the death penalty.

The Angus Reid poll was conducted online between March 10th and 11th, 2013 with 1,514 randomly selected Canadian adults. The margin of error is +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Canadians want Capital punishment back politicians so you read this? ACT now!!

Capital punishment is horrible public policy. Its the very last thing we need.

bush_cheney2004 · September 4, 2016

....The last figure I saw from California was $308 million to kill someone.

Canada is not California, or anyplace else in the USA. But such comparisons are a "Canadian value".

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

It is a poll now. You can cast your vote on whether you support a return of Capital punishment in Canada or oppose it.

Icebound · September 5, 2016

I know mistakes were made in the PAST but with the advanced technology (you name DNA as one example) I very much doubt that similar mistakes will be made in future.

Right. No one will ever plant evidence, for example. No one will perjure themselves on the stand. No one will mistake identity.

Right.

Icebound · September 5, 2016

Yeay!!!!!!. Thank you.

A new Angus Reid poll released Wednesday, suggests that 63 per cent of Canadians are in favour of reinstating the death penalty.

The Angus Reid poll was conducted online between March 10th and 11th, 2013 with 1,514 randomly selected Canadian adults. The margin of error is +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Canadians want Capital punishment back politicians so you read this? ACT now!!

Read the whole article, will you.

There is NOT a majority of Canadians in favour of death penalty, when put against the option of life without parole.

Queenmandy85 · September 5, 2016

It is called corrections because the purpose of the corrections system is to rehabilitate the offender. While treatment options for a number of serious mental disturbances have not been perfected, that is an indication that more investment must be made to find solutions.

As for the expense of execution, the candidate will spend at least fifteen years while the appeal process plays out at considerable cost. Then, Mr Ellis will not hang the individual without compensation. A hangman is a professional and his trade requires a good deal of expertise. If you are squeamish about hanging then perhaps you should re-examine your views on executions. If you are going to execute some one, do it right, hanging or beheading.

Then, of course, the sentence will inevitably be commuted. The last man executed in this country was a guy from my neighbourhood. After that they were all commuted.

Bryan · September 5, 2016

If anything, the exonerations of falsely convicted should instil more faith in reinstating the death penalty. Just apply the same standard that resulted in the exoneration to determine if a given case is a capital offence or not.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

Right. No one will ever plant evidence, for example. No one will perjure themselves on the stand. No one will mistake identity.

Right.

These are rare and exceptions. What you guys son't understand is that you SAVE a lot more innocent victims falling to these parasites than the very rare and few ones which may fall victims falsely by the system. There is no perfect solution but we always have to accept the best possible outcome or number.

dialamah · September 5, 2016

These are rare and exceptions. What you guys son't understand is that you SAVE a lot more innocent victims falling to these parasites than the very rare and few ones which may fall victims falsely by the system. There is no perfect solution but we always have to accept the best possible outcome or number.

Accidentally killing innocent people is not the best outcome.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

Accidentally killing innocent people is not the best outcome.

Now purposely raping and killing defenseless innocent women and children by the sub-human beast is the alternative outcome. Do you support that?. remember statistics indicate that many sex offenders become REPEAT offenders taking more innocent victims. Save the future victims which statistics show is a sure outcome. So before you answer picture all those faces falling victims. What is wrong with you people. I am shocked by the responses to the poll so far I am glad this is not representative of Canadians.

Edited September 5, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

dialamah · September 5, 2016

Now purposely raping and killing defenseless innocent women and children by the sub-human beast is the alternative outcome. Do you support that?. remember statistics indicate that many sex offenders become REPEAT offenders taking more innocent victims. Save the future victims which statistics show is a sure outcome. So before you answer picture all those faces falling victims. What is wrong with you people. I am shocked by the responses to the poll so far I am glad this is not representative of Canadians.

I support keeping sexual offenders and sociopaths in jail. I also support actual effective rehab of other offenders, so they can become contributing, law abiding citizens, but our culture is too focused on punishment to make that a realistic possibility.

Perhaps your poll isn't working because people here are generally more knowledgeable than random Canadians?

Queenmandy85 · September 5, 2016

Citizen, you seem to be advocating retribution. That is pure Old Testament and has no place in the 21st century.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Queenmandy85

dialamah · September 5, 2016

There's a lot of BS in the legal system. My son's ex made false accusations against him, and he was charged essentially on her word. I was shocked and that's when I found out that neither the RCMP nor the prosecutor needed to do anything to prove the allegations, her word was enough. My son initially got a legal aid lawyer, and then his financial situation changed and he was able to pay, but not a lot. That lawyer said to our face that more money meant a "Cadillac" defense, legal aid essentially no defense. My son was pressured for almost two years to plead guilty, told how he would go to jail for so much longer, and he was being offered such a good deal. His own lawyer was part of this pressure.

Anyway, he eventually got a new lawyer who took one look at the case and saw the complete lack of evidence and completely disagreed with any kind of plea deal. Nonetheless the prosecutor was determined that my son either plead guilty and go to jail, or go to trial. About two weeks before his trial date, a new prosecutor was assigned. He also took one look at the case, also saw that there were "problems". The end result? No jail time and no criminal record for my son.

Now I don't know the motivations of either the original prosecutor or my son's first lawyer, but it sure wasn't to get at the truth and ensure an innocent person didn't go to jail. During this ordeal, I discovered that something like 80% of convictions are reached through plea deals, not as the result of a trial. After seeing how the system works up close and personal-like, I could easily believe that a lot of innocent people took less time in jail vs. more time in jail, especially people with limited financial resources.

Take off your rose-colored glasses about how the justice system works, and if you are ever in a situation where the police even think you might have committed a crime, say nothing and get a lawyer. Don't talk to them because you "have nothing to hide", they can and will arrange the conversation to support their charge.

Honestly, most people have no idea how the system works.

Queenmandy85 · September 5, 2016

It is very difficult for an accused to not say anything. It is also too common for a police officer to make an assumption of guilt before all the evidence is in and even harder to change his / her mind when the evidence doesn't support the assumption. Both suspects and police officers are human.

Bryan · September 5, 2016

Citizen, you seem to be advocating retribution. That is pure Old Testament and has no place in the 21st century.

It's a lost art that needs to make a comeback.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

Citizen, you seem to be advocating retribution. That is pure Old Testament and has no place in the 21st century.

Please read my posts. My main purpose for advocating Capital punishment is to SAVE his/their FUTURE victims and existing statistics confirm the fact that a majority of sex offenders are REPEAT offenders. You people are so focus on forgetting and forgiving as a modern way (thankfully it is not a Canadian way as per recent poll by Angus Reid) that you are forgetting about all these future sure victims (thousands upon thousands).

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

There's a lot of BS in the legal system. My son's ex made false accusations against him, and he was charged essentially on her word. I was shocked and that's when I found out that neither the RCMP nor the prosecutor needed to do anything to prove the allegations, her word was enough. My son initially got a legal aid lawyer, and then his financial situation changed and he was able to pay, but not a lot. That lawyer said to our face that more money meant a "Cadillac" defense, legal aid essentially no defense. My son was pressured for almost two years to plead guilty, told how he would go to jail for so much longer, and he was being offered such a good deal. His own lawyer was part of this pressure.

Anyway, he eventually got a new lawyer who took one look at the case and saw the complete lack of evidence and completely disagreed with any kind of plea deal. Nonetheless the prosecutor was determined that my son either plead guilty and go to jail, or go to trial. About two weeks before his trial date, a new prosecutor was assigned. He also took one look at the case, also saw that there were "problems". The end result? No jail time and no criminal record for my son.

Now I don't know the motivations of either the original prosecutor or my son's first lawyer, but it sure wasn't to get at the truth and ensure an innocent person didn't go to jail. During this ordeal, I discovered that something like 80% of convictions are reached through plea deals, not as the result of a trial. After seeing how the system works up close and personal-like, I could easily believe that a lot of innocent people took less time in jail vs. more time in jail, especially people with limited financial resources.

Take off your rose-colored glasses about how the justice system works, and if you are ever in a situation where the police even think you might have committed a crime, say nothing and get a lawyer. Don't talk to them because you "have nothing to hide", they can and will arrange the conversation to support their charge.

Honestly, most people have no idea how the system works.

What happened to your son is unfortunate and I am sorry to hear this about our justice system and law enforcement. That said I am not sure this was a rule but rather an unfortunate exception.

More importantly please read the title and the posts. I am asking for Capital punishment for VIOLENT crimes (and all the evidence of a violent attack or murder must be presented in court for conviction) for proven cases not every case of sexual assault or those simply charged.

dialamah · September 5, 2016

What happened to your son is unfortunate and I am sorry to hear this about our justice system and law enforcement. That said I am not sure this was a rule but rather an unfortunate exception.

More importantly please read the title and the posts. I am asking for Capital punishment for VIOLENT crimes (and all the evidence of a violent attack or murder must be presented in court for conviction) for proven cases not every case of sexual assault or those simply charged.

My son's experience was not an anomaly; close to 80% of convictions are achieved through plea deals and poor people are more often jailed than people with money.

I have read all the posts and I know you think there is some way of guaranteeing someone's guilt for extremely heinous crimes, thus justifying killing them in turn. I think you are wrong and I don't think killing the occasional innocent person is worth satisfying my urge for revenge and punishment.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

I have read all the posts and I know you think there is some way of guaranteeing someone's guilt for extremely heinous crimes, thus justifying killing them in turn. I think you are wrong and I don't think killing the occasional innocent person is worth satisfying my urge for revenge and punishment.

If you have read my post then you know that my main reason and focus is to SAVE future victims mainly women and children rather than satisfying my urge for revenge and punishment as you mis-described above and rather than being concerned about a humanoid who walks on two legs but acts like a dangerous violent animal.

Edited September 5, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

September 5, 2016

If you have read my post then you know that my main reason and focus is to SAVE future victims mainly women and children rather than being concern about a humanoid who walks on two legs but acts like a dangerous violent animal.

Two separate arguments. You can achieve your goal by tightening parole requirements. No need to risk killing someone who doesn't deserve to die.

dialamah · September 5, 2016

If you have read my post then you know that my main reason and focus is to SAVE future victims mainly women and children rather than being concern about a humanoid who walks on two legs but acts like a dangerous violent animal.

Locking them up permanently saves those future victims just as effectively, and allows us to fix any mistakes that were made.

Now if you wanted to remove any possibility of parole for the kinds of crimes you are talking about (though I'd remove your gender bias), I'd support that.

Hal 9000 · September 5, 2016

My son's experience was not an anomaly; close to 80% of convictions are achieved through plea deals and poor people are more often jailed than people with money.

I have read all the posts and I know you think there is some way of guaranteeing someone's guilt for extremely heinous crimes, thus justifying killing them in turn. I think you are wrong and I don't think killing the occasional innocent person is worth satisfying my urge for revenge and punishment.

Dialamah, you're talking about cases that wouldn't be "death penalty cases". And when you say that people should be rehabilitated to become productive members of society, again, you are not talking about death penalty cases because lets face it - that is a complete impossibility.

I'm sure Citizen is talking about the Clifford Olson or Willie Picton types - I would assume

September 5, 2016

Dialamah, you're talking about cases that wouldn't be "death penalty cases". And when you say that people should be rehabilitated to become productive members of society, again, you are not talking about death penalty cases because lets face it - that is a complete impossibility.

I'm sure Citizen is talking about the Clifford Olson or Willie Picton types - I would assume

But if that were the case then society is protected. Surely those types never get out? If necessary, a change in the law to ensure such would get my support.

CITIZEN_2015 · September 5, 2016

No need to risk killing someone who doesn't deserve to die.

I hope you mean someone who is wrongfully convicted (and for Repeat offenders is very very unlikely as being twice convicted for the same type of crime) as I strongly believe that someone who violently attacks and rapes and murders defenseless women and children deserves to be sent to hell just like a wild dangerous animal because he just looks like a human but acts like an animal. Walking on two legs doesn't make a person human.