Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[DogOnPorch]

Laugh all you like. Halal certification costs money and the food suppliers don't eat that cost.

Anything can get Halal certification...not just food.

Many chains opt to certify the works and pass on the cost to the consumer...Muslim or not. In essence a religious tax.

Edited September 12, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[cybercoma]

Maybe we should screen out Jewish applicants too because, you know, Kosher labelling.

[DogOnPorch]

Maybe we should screen out Jewish applicants too because, you know, Kosher labelling.

Kosher applies to certain foods and are clearly labeled as such. Not so with Halal certification.

[cybercoma]

But are Jewish values Canadian values?

[?Impact]

10 days later, and the few in this forum cannot agree on Canadian values. Just more dog whistle politics brought to you by the same "lady" that brought you the barbaric cultural practices hotline.

[The_Squid]

Should tinfoil head coverings be banned.....?

This line of "reasoning" is very out there... Because food manufacturers label food = Islam and sharia law are forced upon you = Suicide bombers = Death of Canadian culture

And he read it all in the Quran... Fascinating stuff...

Edited September 12, 2016 by The_Squid

[DogOnPorch]

But are Jewish values Canadian values?

I don't approve of any religion that treats women as second class citizens. That would certainly include Hasidim Jews. Change or go elsewhere. Israel perhaps.

[DogOnPorch]

Should tinfoil head coverings be banned.....?

This line of "reasoning" is very out there...

It's okay to deny the existence of Halal Certification in Canada. Denial is the order of the day.

[The_Squid]

It's okay to deny the existence of Halal Certification in Canada. Denial is the order of the day.

I don't even know what that is...

[cybercoma]

Who's denying Halal certification? What's being denied is your huge leaps in logic.

[DogOnPorch]

Who's denying Halal certification? What's being denied is your huge leaps in logic.

Which part do you claim is a lie?

[The_Squid]

Which part do you claim is a lie?

Where in his post did he mention the word "lie"?

Are you off your meds????

[dialamah]

It's okay to deny the existence of Halal Certification in Canada. Denial is the order of the day.

Who denied Halal certification? I walk by it regularly in the supermarket; still not a Muslim, still not out killing unbelievers.

I don't even know what that is...

It's essentially slaughtering animals by cutting their neck and letting them bleed out. It was once considered the most humane method of killing animals, but is frowned upon now. When I was a kid they killed pigs by putting them into boiling water. Well, maybe they tried shooting it in the head first, but at least one pig survived enough to feel the water. We also killed chickens by chopping off their head; sometimes they flopped around a bit after. Once, I didn't get a clean cut and it flopped around half-headed. But at least the animals we killed had a relatively decent life before we inhumanely killed them. Can't say as much today.

[DogOnPorch]

Where in his post did he mention the word "lie"?

Are you off your meds????

Halal Certification in Canada is a fact. Not a lie.

Food suppliers...who supply the food to the store you shop at...usually opt to certify all their products rather than some...easier. This cost is passed on to you.

Islam imposes itself on society.

[The_Squid]

Halal Certification in Canada is a fact. Not a lie.

Food suppliers...who supply the food to the store you shop at...usually opt to certify all their products rather than some...easier. This cost is passed on to you.

Islam imposes itself on society.

Ok then... Duck and cover.... They're coming for all of us!! LOL

First it was our chickens.... Then our lambs.... YOU'RE NEXT!!!

Edited September 12, 2016 by The_Squid

[?Impact]

Halal Certification in Canada is a fact. Not a lie.

Food suppliers...who supply the food to the store you shop at...usually opt to certify all their products rather than some...easier. This cost is passed on to you.

Islam imposes itself on society.

What about those peanut free foods, those damn parents of kids with allergies imposing themselves onto society.

[DogOnPorch]

What about those peanut free foods, those damn parents of kids with allergies imposing themselves onto society.

What about them?

Ok then... Duck and cover.... They're coming for all of us!! LOL

First it was our chickens.... Then our lambs.... YOU'RE NEXT!!!

In other words: you have to agree with me.

[Guest]

Would Catholics pass the Canadian values test proposed by Conservative Kellie Leitch? She doesn't seem to know and other cons like Ambrose and Chong have condemned the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmUidBxr2Y

Edited September 12, 2016 by Guest

[DogOnPorch]

And to be clear, Halal Certification can apply to almost anything you can imagine: Halal Rent A Car, for example. No pigs or Jews, I assume.

[Argus]

So these constitutional geniuses on this board have decided that our laws do not reflect Canadian values. Now I understand how they come to their unique conclusions. !!

No one made any such statement. People are simply trying to point out to the less educated that there is a difference between a value and a law.

[Smallc]

No one made any such statement. People are simply trying to point out to the less educated that there is a difference between a value and a law.

And in return, some of us are trying to point out that laws are the result of value judgements.

[Argus]

Would Catholics pass the Canadian values test proposed by Conservative Kellie Leitch? She doesn't seem to know and other cons like Ambrose and Chong have condemned the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmUidBxr2Y

If the values test is a test of values and not of laws and policies, then sure they would.

Again I point out to the progressives that being uncomfortable with the idea of, or even not believing gays should marry is leagues and worlds away from believing gays should go to prison or be executed.

[Argus]

And in return, some of us are trying to point out that laws are the result of value judgements.

Is there anyone here who doesn't know that? The question is not whether potential immigrants should know or respect our laws. It is whether their cultural value system can be so abhorrent that we don't want them here as Canadians, especially when we have an ample number of other qualified potential immigrants who have much more civilized beliefs.

We have lots to choose from. Why shouldn't we select the best fits?

Edited September 12, 2016 by Argus

[Smallc]

Again I point out to the progressives that being uncomfortable with the idea of, or even not believing gays should marry is leagues and worlds away from believing gays should go to prison or be executed.

But you're just setting your own goalpost without any regard for actual reality. Gay Marriage is legal in Canada. That was affirmed by both our highest court and our own Parliament. Canadians have become very accepting of that - in fact a majority of them have. It's a Canadian value.

Is there anyone here who doesn't know that? The question is not whether potential immigrants should know or respect our laws. It is whether their cultural value system can be so abhorrent that we don't want them here as Canadians, especially when we have an ample number of other qualified potential immigrants who have much more civilized beliefs.

Immigration should be about the economy, not your idea of a perfect society. You don't share some Canadian values. Should we throw you out?

Edited September 12, 2016 by Smallc

[?Impact]

If the values test is a test of values and not of laws and policies, then sure they would.

Again I point out to the progressives that being uncomfortable with the idea of, or even not believing gays should marry is leagues and worlds away from believing gays should go to prison or be executed.

It was Trudeau Sr. in 1969 (thanks to Tommy Douglas as well) that changed the legislation that sent Everett George Klippert to prison for life for being a homosexual. He was considered a dangerous sex offender because a psychiatrist assessed him as being incurably homosexual. While he was released after the legislation changed, his conviction remains on the books, he died in the 90's. Note that Trudeau Jr. is looking to pardon him and expunge his record.

You can thank the progressives for actually doing something to move us out of the dark ages.