Canadian Immigration

cybercoma · August 29, 2016

"Millions"

Our immigration rate is less than 1% of our population of 35,000,000 people.

Argus's hyperbole knows no bounds.

TimG · August 29, 2016

Our immigration rate is less than 1% of our population of 35,000,000 people.

Argus is right

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

In 2011, Canada had a foreign-born population of about 6,775,800 people. They represented 20.6% of the total population, the highest proportion among the G8 countries.

Edited August 29, 2016 by TimG

CITIZEN_2015 · August 29, 2016

You don't think they've been trying to do that for the last twenty years?

And you've made it clear that to you, the well-being of Canada is irrelevant compared to what you see as Canada's duty to provide a better life to foreign citizens of third world countries. Our immigration system is not there to benefit Canada but to make you feel good about what a swell bunch of people we are to bring in hundreds of thousands of people who will wind up scrubbing floors and driving taxis.

Not according to you who claims that immigrants are low incomers like Chinese peasants or illiterate middle easterns with no education or skills.

You are deliberately distorting my post and the facts to hide your own fault and falsely put the faults on me. I said if you have a choice between equal qualified or more qualified Middle Eastern and a white European who will in long term bring EQUAL or likely MORE contributions to Canada will you choose the European because she may have white skin or because he or she is of Caucasian race over the more qualified middle eastern or one with colored skin and your response was clear that you will choose skin color over better education/skills or more contributions to well being of Canada and Canadians. It is YOU not me who is not considering the well being of Canada as you have become COLOR blind (or blind by color) so to speak.

I am asking you again will you admit a more qualified immigrant from middle east or a colored region over a less qualified European in terms of education skills and long term contributions to Canada or you will choose the latter over former because the latter has white skin??? YES or NO??

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

How noble. Maybe if you were born here you'd care more about preserving the culture and values and identity of Canada instead of burying them in a mass of millions of foreign immigrants.

So because you are born here then you have a monopoly over the love for Canada and well being of Canada and Canadians in your narrow reactionary mind. But me simply because I was born outside of Canada though lived most of my life here and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes taxes and love many citizens (of opposite sex of course) and educated many Canadian students over years and contributed positively to Canada in many ways and will be buried here too then in YOUR eyes I have no right or say what I regard as good for Canada and do not have interest of Canada (the land that I have lived most of my life and will be buried too) in mind. You clarify your position very clearly what Kind of person you are (and I don't call you any name as you made it clear what name would best suit you) not that any of this was new to me.

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Argus · August 30, 2016

Not according to you who claims that immigrants are low incomers like Chinese peasants or illiterate middle easterns with no education or skills.

Are you accusing me of having written the report the Toronto Star cited from Canada Immigration? Because if not I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

You are deliberately distorting my post and the facts to hide your own fault and falsely put the faults on me. I said if you have a choice between equal qualified or more qualified Middle Eastern and a white European who will in long term bring EQUAL or likely MORE contributions to Canada will you choose the European because she may have white skin or because he or she is of Caucasian race over the more qualified middle eastern

And again, you don't seem to understand that CIC tries to select people who meet our qualifications to the best of their ability. However, despite this, their own study shows it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine which individuals will do better and which will not. The only common factor is that people from most European countries and the Philippines do economically better than people from Asia and the middle east.

I don't favor Europeans because of their white skin. I favour Europeans because of their cultural similarity to Canada, because they tend to possess superior language and communication skills, because their educational and technical and post secondary institutions are similar to ours, and because the statistics FROM THE GOVERNMENT say they perform better overall.

Argus · August 30, 2016

So because you are born here then you have a monopoly over the love for Canada and well being of Canada

Certainly not. But it's evident that you don't particularly care about preserving what Canada is, therefore you clearly don't much care about Canada.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

Certainly not. But it's evident that you don't particularly care about preserving what Canada is, therefore you clearly don't much care about Canada.

Whose evidence? Yours? Then it worth as much as your nonsense posts all over the forum. And yes I like and care very much to preserve what Canada is. To preserve it exactly as it is, The land of diversity and multiculturalism whose citizens live in peace and harmony and prosperity and free from extremism.

You are so blind to see that we simply have different scales to gauge what is best for Canada. You are so arrogant that everyone else deviating from your narrow way of thinking is a traitor to Canada. In many ways you remind me of world dictators who accuse the opposition of treason and hang people who differ in ideology. I see the best interest of Canada in Diversity and it has proven successful as Canada is nominated as the best country in the world many times over AS IT IS NOW and remains prosperous and the land where millions are in the line up to come in. You see it as best for Canada to be isolated from the world or remain a While or European only or white majority. WE ARE JUST DIFFERENT in the way we view what is best to future of Canada. You had no right to portray me as a traitor who does not have interest of Canada in mind. Shame on you Argus.

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cybercoma · August 30, 2016

Argus is righthttps://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

And I'm right that our immigration rate is less than 1%. Our net migration rate is also on par with Australia and Sweden.

But yeah, I guess the sky's falling. Everyone panic.

People are choosing to live here because we have one of the best countries on the planet, xenophobic douchebags notwithstanding.

Edited August 30, 2016 by cybercoma

taxme · August 30, 2016

I know where you are coming from and i tell you a secret that I used to have that kind of thinking myself when I was in my teens and 20's but I matured up as I mixed up with many people of white race I realized that they are as much faulty in many aspects as any other race. You calling me a communist (which I think you did) reminded me of another poster (Rue) who last year called me a Muslim fanatic!!!! or Argus who asked me if I am supporting ISIS!!!!! All my posts have proven I am totally the opposite of both. Again I have explained my reasons why I do support mix race because I don't see any advantage or disadvantages of any race over the other. I have seen children of mixed race marriages and they are beautiful in fact some are in my own family, Again I don't know why you are obsessed with your white race and why you think it is do precious that you must retain it or the world would end. The only reason that comes to my mind as was the case with me is that you think whites are better or super race. I may sound like a broken record but I say it again hoping that I get through to you. Under the skin everyone is the same. It is the size of heart and mind that matters not skin color. Again you did not answer my question on the point system we have for immigrants. How cam Chinese peasants and illiterate middle easterns get in in a system which is based on education and skills????

I think that I already answered your question? I only want immigrants that can offer something to Canada and Canadians and not others who come here and end up on the taxpayer's dole. If Chinese and illiterate middle eastern cannot make it pass the points system post it is no skin off my back. Most of those third world peasants are more of a burden on the Canadian taxpayer than they are any good for the Canadian taxpayer. Most of those new immigrants and their families have been fed, clothed and housed for decades because they have never been able to find work. The bleeding heart days have to come to an end. The Canadian taxpayer's cannot be expected to be big brother for the rest of the world.

Why would I not be obsessed with the white race and it's survival and of all the attacks that are being forced on the white people all over the world. Everything from multiculturalism, feminism, promotion of the gay life and intermarriage are all parts of a program and agenda that will put the white people into a minority status in their own white countries. Whether one wants to believe it or not well that is up to them. The warning bells are being sounded. The white people better listen and pay attention to those warning bells ringing. Trust me when I say that white people do not want to find themselves in a minority situation in their own countries.

We have heard of Asians who have decided that they want to have their strata council meetings in Mandarin only in BC. We see in some parts of London, England where some towns have become majority muslim and they are terrorizing the white people living in those areas. We hear stories of Muslim minorities in Sweden and Germany being slapped around by these muslim thugs beating up white women because they do not like they way they dress or in many cases many of white women have been raped by them. But hey, if that is what white people want then that is what white people are going to get. It's all just a matter of time. And our white grandchildren will pay for it. Being politically incorrect is such a wonderful thing to be.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

Your statistics are biased on immigrants (that most are fed and clothed by tax payer) and you clearly stand against anything which is progressive, Your racist, anti-feminist, anti-Muslim, anti-gay platform is very clear and it is disgusting that we have to justify feminism which stands for equality of women in this day and age and in this country!!!! You belong to last century when whites could get away with murder and did commit a lot of crimes all over the world nationally and internationally. Now the non-whites are fighting back in their own defense and you don't like it. I got news for you. The time has changed. White tyranny and domination is over, Countries/continents around the globe like Africa, India, Middle East, Asia fought back, ended their colonization and got their independence. Well too bad. Swallow it.

What I witnessed myself in the 80's in England was the skin-head Neo-Nazis attacking Muslims especially Pakistani businesses and Pakistani and West Indian youth were the target. What you said about Muslims becoming majority in some parts and attacking local white people may be true but you couldn't get away from saying only one side of the story. May be it is the children of those who were innocently attacked merely for their skin color are now retaliating but it were the whites who planted the seed of hate and violence by their actions in the first place and don't even try to deny it as I saw it with my own eyes.

Edited August 30, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

-TSS- · August 30, 2016

I can see that cultural-marxist brainwashing seems to have travelled across a wide ocean to North-America as well.

cybercoma · August 30, 2016

Oh god. Another one of those Breitbart-inspired "cultural-Marxism" rants. You don't get to take a term that has a particular meaning in sociology and pretend it means something entirely different.

-TSS- · August 30, 2016

Yes I am though not by birth and mighty proud of it too. That said I wasn't around when settlers (mainly from France and British isles) came to Canada so to me it is they as I wasn't one of them neither were my ancestors.

Unlike Europe (Finland in particular) Canada is the land of diversity. If you visit a Canadian city you visit the whole world because you will likely see all kind of faces ranging from pale white Northern Europeans to darker French and Latin Europeans and Latin Americans to Native Indians and Orientals to colored East Indians and west asians and colored/white Middle Eastern and dark Africans are there together with their restaurants and foods and bars and cultures living in peace and harmony and most in prosperity. CANADA is THE WHOLE WORLD thanks to it immigration policy and the tolerance and welcoming attitude of most of its population towards newcomers.

Have you ever visited Finland?

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

Oh god. Another one of those Breitbart-inspired "cultural-Marxism" rants. You don't get to take a term that has a particular meaning in sociology and pretend it means something entirely different.

It is mind boggling how a few extreme right wing or Zionist or white supremacists posters who because of my strong stand on human rights and women's rights and equality and anti racism and anti bigotry and pro-orientation have accused me of all kind of things that it can't be possibly farther than truth. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I was accused of being a Muslim fanatic (by Rue) last year!!!!!.

I was asked if I support ISIS (by Argus) a few months ago!!!!

I was accused of being an internationalist communist (by taxme) last week!!!!!

And now I am a Marxist!!!!

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Edited August 30, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

Michael Hardner · August 30, 2016

Ok - stop the thread drift please, back to Canadian immigration

Argus · August 30, 2016

Well, I'd still like a reason why the Liberals want to open more visa offices to bring over more Chinese when their own immigration department says Chinese immigrants are much less economically successful in Canada than immigrants from other parts of the world. If it will make you progressives who hate White people feel any better, how about we say we should be bringing in more from the Philippines and less from China and the middle east?

Edited August 30, 2016 by Argus

taxme · August 30, 2016

Your statistics are biased on immigrants (that most are fed and clothed by tax payer) and you clearly stand against anything which is progressive, Your racist, anti-feminist, anti-Muslim, anti-gay platform is very clear and it is disgusting that we have to justify feminism which stands for equality of women in this day and age and in this country!!!! You belong to last century when whites could get away with murder and did commit a lot of crimes all over the world nationally and internationally. Now the non-whites are fighting back in their own defense and you don't like it. I got news for you. The time has changed. White tyranny and domination is over, Countries/continents around the globe like Africa, India, Middle East, Asia fought back, ended their colonization and got their independence. Well too bad. Swallow it.

What I witnessed myself in the 80's in England was the skin-head Neo-Nazis attacking Muslims especially Pakistani businesses and Pakistani and West Indian youth were the target. What you said about Muslims becoming majority in some parts and attacking local white people may be true but you couldn't get away from saying only one side of the story. May be it is the children of those who were innocently attacked merely for their skin color are now retaliating but it were the whites who planted the seed of hate and violence by their actions in the first place and don't even try to deny it as I saw it with my own eyes.

I know? Your statistics are more reliable than mine are. It all depends as to who is putting those statistics out and if they are trying to bs us or not. Then that is where common sense and logic comes in, and not emotionalism and politically correct foolishness.

I have nothing against new technology or progress. I am in favor of more technology that can make all of our lives a little easier and a lot better for all. The white people have done just that. Brought technology pretty much to the rest of the world. Other races and other ethnic groups of people did and still do have and do show hatred and do promote violence against others in their own non-white countries. So, don't make it sound like whites are the only people that gave the world hatred and violence. It's in every races DNA and genes. As a matter of fact, white people helped bring violence and hatred to an end by the colonization of many countries. Even the Native Indians here in Canada were killing other Indians from other tribes before the white man arrived and put an end to that. The Indians in Canada were just not that civilized. The Huron and the Iroquois hated each other and killed each other whenever they got the chance. The white man put an end to that thru colonization. You should be happy to hear and know that fact.

Because of massive non-white immigration Canadians are in many cases feeding and clothing and housing many new immigrants and refugees that do not deserve it. Maybe you are a bleeding heart white liberal but I am certainly not. So, if all those countries are now fighting back against white rule and colonization of the past, then why do so many non-white people keep immigrating to white countries? Is it because they like living and being with white people because they know that they can live in peace and not in poverty and wars and famines and dictatorships that there countries still have going on today even after colonization ended.

So, no I am not anti-women, anti- gay or anti-muslim, and clearly not racist, I am a person who tries to use more common sense and logic and less emotion when it comes to programs and agendas like Canada's present day liberal immigration policy. I am Canadian and will fight for Canada. My concerns are not with the rest of the world, and their problems. Gawd knows that here in Canada we do have problems and concerns to deal with. It is just that our Canadian politically correct politicians try to make us feel as though it is our duty to save the rest of the world, don't worry about Canada.

taxme · August 30, 2016

Well, I'd still like a reason why the Liberals want to open more visa offices to bring over more Chinese when their own immigration department says Chinese immigrants are much less economically successful in Canada than immigrants from other parts of the world. If it will make you progressives who hate White people feel any better, how about we say we should be bringing in more from the Philippines and less from China and the middle east?

How about giving the white people a break from all of this massive non-white immigration invasion that is going on today. Yes, bring in some new immigrants from the Philippines but not in the numbers that they are allowing in today. The number of new immigrants coming in from those countries far outweighs what we should be allowing in. Personally, I would like to see a moratorium on all immigration until we can get this unemployment rate down. Unemployed Canadians does Canada no good. The billions it is costing Canadians to keep the 2 million on the dole surely must be hurting the economy, and not helping it. But hey, who listens or uses common sense and logic in Canada anymore. Bull crap and emotionalism and foolishness appears to rule the roost these days.

Edited August 30, 2016 by taxme

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

Because Liberals were elected by the nation to govern Canada until October 2019.

Selection must be made on individuals not regions regardless where they live for as long as they prove to have good prospects to be future positive contributors. It is nonsense and totally illogical and unfair to say the least to ban everyone from a certain region because statistics say that others coming from another regions statistically speaking may become more prosperous!!!!

Those individuals who are culturally adopted with high values and moral standards of Canada whose majority of its population stand for equality of races regardless of skin color or national origin, gender equality, respect for human and women's rights, respect for freedom of choice and speech and democracy and also score high points on education and skills with good prospects for positive contributions to Canada and Canadians should be selected and admitted in. Our immigration system does need adjustment to be more selective as per above criteria however, it is not broken as some are trying to portray falsely to further their racist views and argue that white only or European only immigrants should be let in.

Argus · August 30, 2016

Selection must be made on individuals not regions regardless where they live for as long as they prove to have good prospects to be future positive contributors. It is nonsense and totally illogical and unfair to say the least to ban everyone from a certain region because statistics say that others coming from another regions statistically speaking may become more prosperous!!!!

Why? The statistics are very clear, and this is not the first report to point out the disparity between the economic success of immigrants from the ME and China, vs the economic success of immigrants from Europe or elsewhere. So there seems no question that bringing in more Europeans and less people from China and the ME will increase the overall economic success ratio of Canada's immigrants and thus make Canada better off.

Canada owes NOTHING to potential immigrants around the world. The immigration system is not there to benefit them. It is there to benefit us. Since we cannot really predict who is and who is not going to be successful we should go with the statistical odds.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

Why?

Because there has been many immigrants from ME and China who have been successful in Canada and have contributed and are contributing very positively. It is unfair to close the door on a region completely and deprive them of better lives and deprive Canada of good immigrants. Or do you say that all immigrants from ME are low income Muslim fanatics and all Chinese immigrants are peasants??

Argus · August 30, 2016

Because there has been many immigrants from ME and China who have been successful in Canada and have contributed and are contributing very positively.

And there were many LG refrigerators which did not burst into flames. I still never bought one.

Certain products get a reputation for reliability or for constantly breaking down. But that doesn't suggest ALL of them break down. In fact, most of those products work perfectly well. But people go with the statistics. If you know that a given product often fails and with a competitors it almost never fails, you will buy the competitor. Why should selecting immigrants ignore this reality?

It is unfair to close the door on a region completel

And here is the heart of our disagreement. I DO NOT CARE about being fair to foreigners. I only care about doing the best for CANADA. My loyalty is to THIS country. I only want our immigration system to produce the best possible, most successful immigrants.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Argus

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

And here is the heart of our disagreement. I DO NOT CARE about being fair to foreigners. I only care about doing the best for CANADA. My loyalty is to THIS country. I only want our immigration system to produce the best possible, most successful immigrants.

And you didn't read my post. By eliminating any certain region you DEPRIVE Canada of all the good immigrants from that region. So you cause harm to Canada as it would be Canada's loss.

Edited August 30, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

CITIZEN_2015 · August 30, 2016

So, no I am not anti-women, anti- gay or anti-muslim, and clearly not racist, I am a person who tries to use more common sense and logic and less emotion when it comes to programs and agendas like Canada's present day liberal immigration policy. I am Canadian and will fight for Canada. My concerns are not with the rest of the world, and their problems. Gawd knows that here in Canada we do have problems and concerns to deal with. It is just that our Canadian politically correct politicians try to make us feel as though it is our duty to save the rest of the world, don't worry about Canada.

Oh geez you could have fooled me!!!!!!!! as per your post below and many other similar posts!!!!!!!!!

Why would I not be obsessed with the white race and it's survival and of all the attacks that are being forced on the white people all over the world. Everything from multiculturalism, feminism, promotion of the gay life and intermarriage are all parts of a program and agenda that will put the white people into a minority status in their own white countries. Whether one wants to believe it or not well that is up to them. The warning bells are being sounded. The white people better listen and pay attention to those warning bells ringing. Trust me when I say that white people do not want to find themselves in a minority situation in their own countries.

Edited August 30, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

Argus · August 30, 2016

And you didn't read my post. By eliminating any certain region you DEPRIVE Canada of all the good immigrants from that region. So you cause harm to Canada as it would be Canada's loss.

And by bringing in immigrants from China and the Middle east we DEPRIVE Canada of all the good immigrants from there.

The fact is we do not know what makes a good immigrant. It's a crap shoot. We put in points and hope for the best. But we get some lousy ones along with the good ones.

According to the government we get more lousy ones from China and the Middle East than from anywhere else, and less lousy ones from the United Kingdom, Italy, Ireland and the Philippines, than anywhere else.

Therefore, logically, we should tilt our immigration system into bringing in more people from the countries we know produce a higher percentage of successful immigrants.

Unless you know some secret way to perfectly predict which individual immigrant will turn out successful.