Progressives and Islam

[DogOnPorch]

Islam founded: ca 610 AD

[cybercoma]

AD....Islam was not around BC. You really don't have a clue how it unfolded.

Oh, so you weren't talking about the myriad other times Alexandria was burned down. That was the joke. Thanks for coming out though.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh, so you weren't talking about the myriad other times Alexandria was burned down. That was the joke. Thanks for coming out though.

The last...final...total time it burned...yes...by Muslims.

I now know you have zero clue about history.

[cybercoma]

Oh the last final total time it was burned. Aristotle was around 384-322 BC. The Library of Alexandria was burned in 48 BC by Cesar and 270-275 AD by Theophilus. I guess Aristotle's survived those burnings because the only one that matters is the one that came 400 years after Theophilus' burning, 700 years after Cesar's burning, and over 950 years after Aristotle's death. Yup. Muslims bad, once again. Nevermind that the library was burned twice before that and nevermind that Muslim scholars had translated his writings into Arabic from which they were recovered (which was the entire point of the status update).

Edited September 14, 2016 by cybercoma

[DogOnPorch]

You're free to deny what Omar said and did.

[cybercoma]

And you're free to ignore what I said and once again claim I'm denying something that I recognized in my argument.

[DogOnPorch]

I get the gist: Islam...the Great Savior...saved Western civilization rather than burned it down. Sort of like a South Vietnamese village.

[dre]

There is no reason to condemn Islamic terrorism because it is entirely justified and the result of or own actions.

Theres a reason to condemn it all, and Iv done so over and over again. I WANT the militant minded people on both sides to kill each other. I think it would be fantastic.

[DogOnPorch]

Folks will look back and quaintly recall those who supported Islam much like folks admired Hitler for his great works.

They existed...as do you.

[cybercoma]

I get the gist: Islam...the Great Savior...saved Western civilization rather than burned it down. Sort of like a South Vietnamese village.

Saved Western civilization? I think you give Aristotle's works too much credit. But then all you've got is hyperbole in discussions about religion, so I'm not surprised. Edited September 14, 2016 by cybercoma

[DogOnPorch]

Saved Western civilization? I think you give Aristotle's works too much credit. But then all you've got is hyperbole in discussions about religion, so I'm not surprised.

What's the 'Aristotle Argument' for then if not to put Islam in the role of savior of Western Civilization?

Islam invaded...burned...looted...raped...murdered its way across the Medieval World.

[cybercoma]

The saviours of Western Civilization is your hyperbole, not mine. I said that things would be different without Aristotle's texts. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Edited September 14, 2016 by cybercoma

[GostHacked]

Now you're thinking like an alt-right hack. Good job.

YEah this new term Alt-right .. is about as stupid as the term 'far left'.

And you're free to ignore what I said and once again claim I'm denying something that I recognized in my argument.

Typical tactic from member DoP.

[DogOnPorch]

The saviours of Western Civilization is your hyperbole, not mine. I said that things would be different without Aristotle's texts. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Then why bring-up Aristotle?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

[Peter F]

Then why bring-up Aristotle?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

Because Muslims actually collected ancient texts and translated them and studied them. By doing so they became available to Europeans .

or are you going to say that never happened?

[DogOnPorch]

Because Muslims actually collected ancient texts and translated them and studied them. By doing so they became available to Europeans .

or are you going to say that never happened?

Muslims looted, raped, burned and murdered their way across the Medieval World...burning down the Great Library in the process. But good news...one of them looted a copy of Aristotle's Laws and Ethics. So we owe them thanks for not being complete SOBs.

[?Impact]

Muslims looted, raped, burned and murdered their way across the Medieval World...burning down the Great Library in the process. But good news...one of them looted a copy of Aristotle's Laws and Ethics. So we owe them thanks for not being complete SOBs.

So what do you have to say about Cesar, the Coptic Christians, the Romans, and many others that did all of those things as well?

[Peter F]

Muslims looted, raped, burned and murdered their way across the Medieval World...burning down the Great Library in the process. But good news...one of them looted a copy of Aristotle's Laws and Ethics. So we owe them thanks for not being complete SOBs.

Lots of people raped burned and murdered their way across the medieval world - hell even the Ancient world - hell even the modern world. Why single out Muslim armies as the Great Evil when everybody did the exact same thing? Ever hear of Vandals? Huns? Norsemen? Reconquista? 100 years war?

Mongols? ever hear of Mongols? they were pretty nasty lot.

[DogOnPorch]

So what do you have to say about Cesar, the Coptic Christians, the Romans, and many others that did all of those things as well?

Ah yes, the two wrongs make a right defense.

Rome fell.

[DogOnPorch]

Lots of people raped burned and murdered their way across the medieval world - hell even the Ancient world - hell even the modern world. Why single out Muslim armies as the Great Evil when everybody did the exact same thing? Ever hear of Vandals? Huns? Norsemen? Reconquista? 100 years war?

Mongols? ever hear of Mongols? they were pretty nasty lot.

Then it's rather factitious to claim Islam "preserved" Western Civilization when they tried their damnedest to destroy it. They translated a copy they looted that managed to sneak passed Omar's decree:

If what is in the library agrees with the contents of the Qur’an, then it is redundant. And, if the contents of the library do not agree with the Qur’an, then such contents are heretic.

---Omar

[Peter F]

Then it's rather factitious to claim Islam "preserved" Western Civilization when they tried their damnedest to destroy it. They translated a copy they looted that managed to sneak passed Omar's decree:

If what is in the library agrees with the contents of the Qur’an, then it is redundant. And, if the contents of the library do not agree with the Qur’an, then such contents are heretic.

---Omar

C'mon Dog, you're a student of History. You know very well that the West busted their arses trying to destroy Islam. Hell the Crusades burnt, looted and raped their way through Byzantine Constantinople destroying lord knows what knowledge. Alexandria wasn't the only library in the the world.

But, at least you admit that the works of Aristotle and many other ancients, were preserved by Muslims - particularly of Granada - and the discovery of those works preserved by Muslims led directly to the Renaissance and the huge leap forward in Western thought.

Good thing those Muslims did what they did.

[DogOnPorch]

C'mon Dog, you're a student of History. You know very well that the West busted their arses trying to destroy Islam. Hell the Crusades burnt, looted and raped their way through Byzantine Constantinople destroying lord knows what knowledge. Alexandria wasn't the only library in the the world.

But, at least you admit that the works of Aristotle and many other ancients, were preserved by Muslims - particularly of Granada - and the discovery of those works preserved by Muslims led directly to the Renaissance and the huge leap forward in Western thought.

Good thing those Muslims did what they did.

There were Crusades to try and liberate land Muslims captured. They failed, ultimately.

[DogOnPorch]

C'mon Dog, you're a student of History. You know very well that the West busted their arses trying to destroy Islam. Hell the Crusades burnt, looted and raped their way through Byzantine Constantinople destroying lord knows what knowledge. Alexandria wasn't the only library in the the world.

But, at least you admit that the works of Aristotle and many other ancients, were preserved by Muslims - particularly of Granada - and the discovery of those works preserved by Muslims led directly to the Renaissance and the huge leap forward in Western thought.

Good thing those Muslims did what they did.

Constantinople fell to Islamic forces in 1453...they looted it.

Crusaders did loot Antioch as they passed through...and Hungary...Jews were burned, etc.

[Peter F]

...And don't you think its kinda odd that in the monolithic One True Faith you and Omar espouse that those Muslims didn't destroy those non-muslim works? Bizarre isn't it when there is only One True Faith?

[Peter F]

Constantinople fell to Islamic forces in 1453...they looted it.

Crusaders did loot Antioch as they passed through...and Hungary...Jews were burned, etc.

Don't forget the 4th Crusade. A very important Crusade that.