BLM hold the Toronto Gay Pride Parade hostage

[Boges]

There's some overlap.

But you might want to clarify in future.

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So Men's Right's groups are also super racist?

[jacee]

Jacee, Euler isn't talking about the neo-nazi group, he's talking about deluded Men's Rights Activists. You know, the ones who say that men face so many hardships, yet spend all of their time tearing down women, feminists, and SJWs instead of actually doing anything to benefit men.

I see that now.

It's too bad that men's rights groups engage in misogyny, because there are some real issues there.

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[cybercoma]

Absolutely there's real issues. Too bad they spend so much time focused on tearing others down, rather than building up much-needed support systems for men.

[jacee]

So Men's Right's groups are also super racist?

I don't know.

But I do know they are both extreme right wing groups.

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[Boges]

Thread drift.

What about BLM as an extreme group?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/21/black-lives-matter-blames-orlando-white-supremacy/

[cybercoma]

I see that now.

It's too bad that men's rights groups engage in misogyny, because there are some real issues there.

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Here's an example of the things CAFE is into.

This week CAFE erected a controversial billboard on Davenport Road near Avenue Road in Toronto bearing the misleading message, “HALF of domestic violence victims are men. NO domestic violence shelters are dedicated to us,” with a photo of a woman resembling Linda Blair in The Exorcist shrieking at a terrorized man plugging his ears. At the bottom is a website for donations, which CAFE has said will be used to keep the billboard campaign going with hopes of expanding it to other cities, and eventually build a men’s shelter (not that there is any real demand for one).

The billboard figure comes from a 2009 Statistics Canada report that found nearly half of self-reported domestic abuse victims are men. But it fails to point out that according to the same study, women were three times as likely to be victims of serious violence, such as being choked, sexually assaulted, beaten or threatened with a deadly weapon. The idea that any sane person could look at that study and think, “Wow, poor men,” is beyond ludicrous.

Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/leah-mclaren-are-men-really-the-victims/article23426535/

Misleading statistics aside, you'll note that the campaign was raising money to put up more billboards not to actually open crisis centres for men. You would think that they would be opening crisis centres if there was such a need for them, not just raising money to perpetuate a propaganda campaign.

[-1=e^ipi]

There's some overlap.

But you might want to clarify in future.

I did clarify. See the post above.

Or you could have just googled CAFE + Toronto Pride Parade.

[-1=e^ipi]

Absolutely there's real issues. Too bad they spend so much time focused on tearing others down, rather than building up much-needed support systems for men.

Yeah, it's not like Justin Trottier is trying to run a men's centre in Toronto or anything...

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/torontos-first-mens-centre-aware-it-might-ruffle-feathers-but-insists-it-isnt-a-simple-mens-rights-association

Edited July 5, 2016 by -1=e^ipi

[-1=e^ipi]

Or that people like Earl Silverman tried to open men's shelters, but eventually was driven to suicide. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/earl-silverman-dead-suicide_n_3179850.html

The reason why men's groups and similar groups have difficulty opening shelters is because of sexism against men. There is less ability to get funding and 'feminist' groups will try to block such shelters at every opportunity.

Edited July 5, 2016 by -1=e^ipi

[-1=e^ipi]

Misleading statistics aside

It's not misleading. Nearly half of reported domestic violence victims are male.

But not everything is reported. There is far greater stigma against men reporting being victims, so it wouldn't surprise me if men are the majority of victims.

Edited July 5, 2016 by -1=e^ipi

[Argus]

Would be called racist.

Would be beat up.

[Argus]

I see that now.

It's too bad that men's rights groups engage in misogyny, because there are some real issues there.

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So it's the same as feminist groups then, and groups like BLM?

Edited July 5, 2016 by Argus

[TimG]

the campaign was raising money to put up more billboards not to actually open crisis centres for men.

So you don't believe in raising awareness of problem where social stigma means very few victims will come forth? I guess you also believe that a women who was assaulted but bears no physical evidence of the assault should just "suck it up" because there are "real victims" which are more deserving of concern. Edited July 5, 2016 by TimG

[-1=e^ipi]

So it's the same as feminist groups then, and groups like BLM?

No. Please don't create a false equivalency.

[Moonlight Graham]

I read a whole bunch of perspective from people in Pride and BLM-TO today. What i get from it is that Pride Toronto isn't as inclusive as it seems, and sub-minorities like trans and black trans aren't represented in the organization. Like Rue said, Pride seems increasingly like a corporate-sponsored party. I think if you don't know the workings of Pride Toronto as organization, then you really don't quite understand the majority of the demands BLM-TO were making and don't really understand this issue

Anyways, these article/videos started to really enlighten me:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/black-lives-matter-is-dramatic-unsettling-and-inconvenient-thats-the-point/article30758467/

http://chrismilloy.ca/2015/07/my-open-letter-of-resignation-from-pride-toronto/

https://www.facebook.com/blacklivesmatterTO/videos/519986288196866/

[TimG]

sub-minorities like trans and black trans aren't represented in the organization.

I am curious how one would gather the statistics required to know what level of representation is appropriate given the fact we are talking about of minorities of minorities. Edited July 6, 2016 by TimG

[jacee]

So it's the same as feminist groups then,

Yes I think some.

and groups like BLM?

I don't know.

I wouldn't generalize to "groups like ...".

Whatever opinions people have of BLM's actions in TO, it's over it's done.

The point was that CAFE/Men's Rights group was apparently uninvited to Pride parade.

There's some question now that Pride is backtracking on 'no more police' in the parade.

I think gay people all have a right to be there, whether they're cops or men's rights.

But do they represent their Employer or group?

I guess that's the issue.

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[jacee]

It's not misleading. Nearly half of reported domestic violence victims are male.

But not everything is reported. There is far greater stigma against men reporting being victims, so it wouldn't surprise me if men are the majority of victims.

This is getting off topic.

Maybe warrants a thread ...?

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[Big Guy]

It ain't over till its over:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/05/black-lives-matter-toronto-flooded-with-hate-mail-after-pride-protest.html

and

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/black-lives-pride-1.3665955

If you gonna pitch then you gotta catch.

[Moonlight Graham]

I am curious how one would gather the statistics required to know what level of representation is appropriate given the fact we are talking about of minorities of minorities.

Yes i know. Apparently the Pride org is dominated by white cis men. What else is new.

But some people want more black trans women in the org. Not a huge number to choose from I'd imagine.

[Big Guy]

Whites beating blacks continues:

Beating

Just not fair!

[Boges]

Whites beating blacks continues:

Beating

Just not fair!

Black Pawns Matter

[taxme]

Interesting to see where progressives come down on this issue.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pride-parade-toronto-1.3662823

So is Pride racist now?

I think it's highly inappropriate to use a parade that's actually one of the top tourist draws in the City every year to force a set of demands down the organizers throats. What was the director supposed to do? He was completely blindsided.

The demand to ban Police floats is especially weird. The parade is supposed to be about inclusiveness. To the point where it's a bone of contention every year whether to allow a group that's accused of anti-semitism to march. But no police!

I'm interested to see people on this boards reaction to this. Was BLM offside here or is this just a legit form or protest.

Yup, it is quite amusing to watch grown up so-called men prancing around like a bunch of fairies, and to watch women walking around wearing army boots. I am pretty sure that people who go and watch the gay parades do it just to have a good laugh, not there to promote it. Those gay men look so thilley, and the women look so butchy. What happened to the good old Canada of thirty years ago where this kind of nonsense would not be allowed.

[TimG]

But some people want more black trans women in the org. Not a huge number to choose from I'd imagine.

Especially since effect organizations need competent people. I would expect they would have no problems finding plenty of competent gay people in general but finding competent people to fill quotas for every minority combination in the LBGQ matrix would be next to impossible.

[taxme]

Or that people like Earl Silverman tried to open men's shelters, but eventually was driven to suicide. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/earl-silverman-dead-suicide_n_3179850.html

The reason why men's groups and similar groups have difficulty opening shelters is because of sexism against men. There is less ability to get funding and 'feminist' groups will try to block such shelters at every opportunity.

We are fast becoming a nation of homosexuals, and real men are starting to disappear. The closets are now wide open for real men to have to go too and hide one day. Sodom and Gomorrah has been revived, and is now alive and doing quite well in Canada, and around the world. Sad indeed.