Big Guy Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 The information of how to kill yourself is available on line. It is now accepted by most that the idea of killing oneself is worth discussion and is a basic human right: http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/plastic-bag-gas Why not then allow for a "suicide kit" to be created by pharmacists and available by prescription? I understand that there are a number of methods and that many can be botched up where we end up with a vegetable costing $millions to keep alive. It is also assumed that many car accidents appear to have been suicides and the victims (perps?) used that method so that relatives would receive life insurance money. Unfortunately, this method often takes other innocent victims and does much damage. Is it ethical to have a "suicide kit" available to be purchased. One which will mask the cause of death so that beneficiaries can still collect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) I already have a suicide kit. It's a Benelli Supernova. Still, I like the idea of a pharmaceutical kit. Edited June 6, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Heroin and Fentanyl sound cheap, abundant, painless and effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Is it ethical to have a "suicide kit" available to be purchased. One which will mask the cause of death so that beneficiaries can still collect? Yes, No Yes, I believe that there are benefits to society at large to ensure that if someone does commit suicide they do it without ending up in a vegetative state and especially not endangering others as often is the case (Germanwings Flight 9525 as an extreme example). I don't think that masking the cause of death to defraud insurance or other benefits however is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Yes, No Yes, I believe that there are benefits to society at large to ensure that if someone does commit suicide they do it without ending up in a vegetative state and especially not endangering others as often is the case (Germanwings Flight 9525 as an extreme example). I don't think that masking the cause of death to defraud insurance or other benefits however is acceptable. OK - How about masking the cause of death so that the survivors and relatives will not have to share the current stigma still attached to suicide? The argument I see against that is the association of genetic factors and suicide. Blood relatives should be aware if a close relative takes their own life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK107191/ http://www.healthyplace.com/depression/articles/high-suicide-families-eyed-by-genetic-scientists/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I already have a suicide kit. It's a Benelli Supernova. Still, I like the idea of a pharmaceutical kit. I'd tend to agree, pills are so much cleaner then suck starting a 12 gauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 OK - How about masking the cause of death so that the survivors and relatives will not have to share the current stigma still attached to suicide? The stigma exists for a reason. If anything we need to amplify it, not hide it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'm not comfortable with over the counter cyanide at Shopper Drug Mart. If people want to off themselves, do some research. The state should only be sanctioning suicide of people that are going to die imminently anyway and are in a huge amount of pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) The stigma exists for a reason. If anything we need to amplify it, not hide it. No we don't. Edit> Unless you mean so it makes assisted suicide more available. Edited June 7, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'm not comfortable with over the counter cyanide at Shopper Drug Mart. If people want to off themselves, do some research. The state should only be sanctioning suicide of people that are going to die imminently anyway and are in a huge amount of pain. Why can't someone die when they choose? Who are you to tell them when they can and cannot die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Why can't someone die when they choose? Who are you to tell them when they can and cannot die? I'm not. There are several ways you can do it yourself. But the government shouldn't be making it as easy as possible. Over the counter methods of suicide without any psych evaluation? Why not just give them out at schools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) I'm not. There are several ways you can do it yourself. But the government shouldn't be making it as easy as possible. Over the counter methods of suicide without any psych evaluation? Why not just give them out at schools? The government should be providing the service under the healthcare system so that a person doesn't need to buy a kit. If they don't, and kits can be made available, then all well and good. There's lots of things that aren't available in schools. Basically, there's nothing wrong with dying, we all do it, and the best time to die is when one chooses to die. Much better than dying when one doesn't want to. Edited June 7, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The government should be providing the service under the healthcare system so that a person doesn't need to buy a kit. If they don't, and kits can be made available, then all well and good. There's lots of things that aren't available in schools. Basically, there's nothing wrong with dying, we all do it, and the best time to die is when one chooses to die. Much better than dying when one doesn't want to. And what about those individuals that are troubled, or have mental issues, that think the only way out of their dark world is to end it all, and yet most of these people can receive medical help and live a normal life again....Do we give them the option.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 And what about teenagers that have no perspective and think any trouble they experience means they should end their lives. It'll be interesting to know what percentage of suicides are due to actual clinical depression (that can be treated mind you) and people who are just sad and have no perspective that their problems are temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Maybe instead of making suicide universal acceptable, maybe we should learn to treat the effects that drive people to suicide first.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'm not comfortable with over the counter cyanide at Shopper Drug Mart. Make sure you take enough cyanide, a sublethal dose will most likely cause brain damage. Someone who tries to mix up their own batch may end up as a vegetable. Not my recommended method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Make sure you take enough cyanide, a sublethal dose will most likely cause brain damage. Someone who tries to mix up their own batch may end up as a vegetable. Not my recommended method. Well then our spiffy new assisted suicide law will come in handy then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) Well then our spiffy new assisted suicide law will come in handy then. Actually it probably won't. 241.2 (1) A person may receive medical assistance in dying only if they meet all of the following criteria: (d) they have made a voluntary request for medical assistance in dying that, in particular, was not made as a result of external pressure; and (e) they give informed consent to receive medical assistance in dying. (3) (b-) ensure that the person’s request for medical assistance in dying was (ii) signed and dated after the person was informed by a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner that the person has a grievous and irremediable medical condition; Edited June 7, 2016 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Maybe instead of making suicide universal acceptable, maybe we should learn to treat the effects that drive people to suicide first.. Do that as well. Just don't prevent someone who wants to die from doing so, and don't prevent someone who wants to help them from doing so either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Replying to Post #14 as I am unable to quote. I was asked by several medical doctors keen on suicide issues help them understand capital intelligence. It is just a differing perspective to look at this suicide phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Maybe instead of making suicide universal acceptable, maybe we should learn to treat the effects that drive people to suicide first.. That would be an even more radical approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) radical = OK if the information explains or does not explain. Means we have more information than before Edited June 29, 2016 by RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.