Transgender

WestCoastRunner · May 30, 2016

The truth hurts? The trouble with HR tribunals is one can easily come up with extreme examples of 'hate speech' (i.e. the holocaust never happened) or true examples of discrimination (i.e. we don't serve your kind here). The problem is the HR tribunals have extended their judgement way beyond the reasonable to where people who act in good faith find themselves facing large fines because some whiners had their feeling hurt. Or attempt to outlaw speech which reflects legitimate expression of opinions (talking about the numerous issues with Islam as it is practiced today by many Muslims).

Cites please.

TimG · May 31, 2016

Cites please.

Here is one that was overturned on appeal to a real court: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-court-overturns-racial-bias-verdict

“A complainant cannot merely point to his or her membership in a racialized group and an unpleasant interaction to establish a prima facie case of discrimination,” says the judgment, overturning a Human Rights Tribunal finding in the case.

There are numerous others such as the guy with OCD who got water with lemon served to him (adults would go to another restaurant if they get bad service).

The people who choose to serve on the HR panels are people who either 1) want to keep themselves employed or 2) activists with opinions that do not represent the view of Canadians.

Edited May 31, 2016 by TimG

WestCoastRunner · May 31, 2016

The people who choose to serve on the HR panels are people who either 1) want to keep themselves employed or 2) activists with opinions that do not represent the view of Canadians.

Cite? This is getting boring. Come up with a real reason the HR organization is useless.

Edited May 31, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

Is there anyone, anywhere who doesn't "want to keep themselves employed"? Like that's an argument for anything.

TimG · May 31, 2016

Cite?

I gave you one. But I have read of many absurd rulings over the years that violate any rules of common sense. Edited May 31, 2016 by TimG

TimG · May 31, 2016

Is there anyone, anywhere who doesn't "want to keep themselves employed"?

It is a fact of bureaucracies that they will want to expand their mandate over time. This is why all bureaucracies need over site that is willing and able to keep the bureaucracy operating within its originally intended scope. No such oversight exists for the HR tribunals. Edited May 31, 2016 by TimG

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

Those tribunals adjudicate laws created by elected legislators in the form of the various provincial human rights codes.

Bryan · May 31, 2016

So all transgender people are rapists to you? That's about as stupid as the arguments get here.

It certainly is a stupid argument, and you are the only one in this thread making it.

TimG · May 31, 2016

Those tribunals adjudicate laws created by elected legislators in the form of the various provincial human rights codes.

As you know the legislation leaves a lot to the "judgement" of the tribunals. Without oversight these tribunals will perpetually expand their scope beyond what was originally intended. It is not enough for legislature to simply pass a law and forget. They need to periodically pass new legislation to limit the scope of the HR tribunals.

Hal 9000 · May 31, 2016

I don't need to prove that it's not a change room and shower issue. You've failed to show in any way whatsoever that there is an issue with transgender people in showers or change rooms. There's a problems with rapists, which anyone would concede.

Well, you can google UofT Transgenders, New York transgender, Washington transgender or many others to find the info.

Hal 9000 · May 31, 2016

The secret agenda, eh? Just like gay people's secret agenda of making everyone else gay by being allowed to marry.

It's hardly a secret agenda, Google Ontario Human rights, google the bill that Trudeau is pushing...connect some dots or use some sense, it's all there .

Hal 9000 · May 31, 2016

Of all the ignorant things to say.

Why, do you believe that transgenders are 100% of the gender they claim? Really?

jacee · May 31, 2016

Why, do you believe that transgenders are 100% of the gender they claim? Really?

Do you think people are only born in two genders?

You haven't done much research on this.

.

Edited May 31, 2016 by jacee

Hal 9000 · May 31, 2016

Do you think people are only born in two genders?

You haven't done much research on this.

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Post 329, if you're following along, I stated that there was anywhere between 50 and 65 recognizable genders. Maybe you should do some research. Or, better yet, let cybercoma know that there are more than 2 genders, because he's the one suggesting two genders...not me.

If cyber would shelve the outrage for just a minute, he'd realize that the very fact that they themselves use the word "trans", proves my point.

Edited May 31, 2016 by Hal 9000

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

As you know the legislation leaves a lot to the "judgement" of the tribunals. Without oversight these tribunals will perpetually expand their scope beyond what was originally intended. It is not enough for legislature to simply pass a law and forget. They need to periodically pass new legislation to limit the scope of the HR tribunals.

They do periodically pass new laws. What do you think Trudeau was talking about?

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

It's hardly a secret agenda, Google Ontario Human rights, google the bill that Trudeau is pushing...connect some dots or use some sense, it's all there .

I've connected the dots and the arguments you're making do not refer whatsoever to that legislation. You've never once in this thread quoted any part of the Ontario Human Rights Code.

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

Why, do you believe that transgenders are 100% of the gender they claim? Really?

Why do you continue to refuse to learn concepts that you're using in this discussion? Biological sex and gender are different things. Gender includes gender identity and gender expression. Separate from these other things are romantic and sexual attraction. Absolutely none of these things, including biological sex are binary distinctions. I know this might be difficult to understand when you've been raised to believe that there's only men and women, if a person is not one then they must be the other, but real life is a lot more complicated than that. All anyone is asking for is a little tolerance and to not be discriminated against because life isn't as simplistic as pink and blue blankets.

TimG · May 31, 2016

They do periodically pass new laws. What do you think Trudeau was talking about?

Adding whatever the 'cause du jour' is to the list of things the tribunals to consider is not oversight. Oversight involves looking at cases and that cross the line into absurdity and updating regulations to tell the tribunals that they can't make rulings like that.

cybercoma · May 31, 2016

Adding whatever the 'cause du jour' is to the list of things the tribunals to consider is not oversight. Oversight involves looking at cases and that cross the line into absurdity and updating regulations to tell the tribunals that they can't make rulings like that.

Just because you don't like the current oversight, doesn't mean that it's not there. The Human Rights Code is legislation and is edited from time to time by elected officials. You disagree with the changes and that's fine. But you can't say there's no oversight when I've clearly demonstrated that there is. What you're doing is moving the goalposts and creating your own special definition of "oversight" to suit your bias.

Hal 9000 · June 1, 2016

Why do you continue to refuse to learn concepts that you're using in this discussion? Biological sex and gender are different things. Gender includes gender identity and gender expression. Separate from these other things are romantic and sexual attraction. Absolutely none of these things, including biological sex are binary distinctions. I know this might be difficult to understand when you've been raised to believe that there's only men and women, if a person is not one then they must be the other, but real life is a lot more complicated than that. All anyone is asking for is a little tolerance and to not be discriminated against because life isn't as simplistic as pink and blue blankets.

Seriously? Do you and Jacee even read the posts that you're so offended by? I've said at least twice now (in the last 2 pages) that there are up to 65 different genders.

Argus · June 1, 2016

I am assuming you are a white male living quite comfortably in Canada. It's very difficult to hear you lambast the HR organization as full of idiots and extremists. Perhaps you should research what they have done for Canadian citizens that are not white, straight men.

i have no interest for what they have or have not done for individuals. They've done nothing good for Canada, and I'd support all of them being eliminated.

Argus · June 1, 2016

Such nonsensical catastrophizing, Argus.

I know realism plays no part in your ideological constructs, but I have an affection for it.

"whether he sees himself as a girl or not,"

Lol

Good grief.

Leave it to those involved.

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And is that you? What's under your skirt?

Argus · June 1, 2016

Do you think people are only born in two genders?

You haven't done much research on this.

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I'm guessing none of this alleged research you've done has involved anything related to science or anatomy.

cybercoma · June 1, 2016

Seriously? Do you and Jacee even read the posts that you're so offended by? I've said at least twice now (in the last 2 pages) that there are up to 65 different genders.

Name them.