Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: That's the Trump tactic, delay delay delay. He'll challenge every court case that goes against him. Every court has said that he should release his tax returns and he's taking it to SCOTUS. If they let the courts rule, this wouldn't be addressed until well after the election. If you want to remove Trump for office, rushing ain't gonna get it done. If you got the smoking gun, just wait him out, unless you don't have the goods, which would explain the rushing. Either way the Democrats refusing to wait is not on Republicans, it's on Democrats. If the shoe was on the other foot, the Dems would do the same and take it to the SCOTUS and any lack of patience would be on the Republicans, not the Democrats. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: If you want to remove Trump for office, rushing ain't gonna get it done. If you got the smoking gun, just wait him out, unless you don't have the goods, which would explain the rushing. Sure it will, it's a political process. It's political to challenge everything in the courts and its political for Pelosi to hold off on passing the Impeachment to the Senate. If Trump things he'll get a quit acquittal, it's not going to happen. Quote
Rue Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It was perfectly with his presidential power to do so. It is a witch hunt to pretend it is. Your statement is meaningless mush. Any power carried out by any elected public official is subject to limits as set out by the law. No elected official is above the law when they represent that or any other laws. No elected official with a conflict of interest should enforce or comment on any law or policy they have a conflicted interest with. Get back to me when you understand your beloved leader is not some cultist messianic God with unlimited powers the very thing the US was created to rebel against. You Trump cult followers have created a new King George. What a joke. 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Sure it will, it's a political process. It's political to challenge everything in the courts and its political for Pelosi to hold off on passing the Impeachment to the Senate. If Trump things he'll get a quit acquittal, it's not going to happen. The senate will acquit Trump, especially in the light of the Democrats rush job. If the Dems refuse to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate, then Trump wasn't even impeached, and it was an even bigger waste of time then it has looked like all along. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rue said: Your statement is meaningless mush. Any power carried out by any elected public official is subject to limits as set out by the law. And Trump didn't violate that law. The Dems just pretended he did, refused to include it in their articles of impeachment they felt is was so flimsy and you still believed them. No one is claiming Trump is above the law, that's a strawman. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The senate will acquit Trump, especially in the light of the Democrats rush job. If the Dems refuse to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate, then Trump wasn't even impeached, and it was an even bigger waste of time then it has looked like all along. Then McConnell has to commit to having a trial where witnesses are actually called. This is not actually about removing Trump from office. It's about having hearings so the public know what Trump did. AND having GOP Senators have their names attached to condoning such behaviour. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Then McConnell has to commit to having a trial where witnesses are actually called. McConnell doesn't have to call anyone he doesn't want, just like Pelosi. Pelosi doesn't get to force him to call who she wants anymore than Mitch got to force her to call who he wants. That's not how it works, Pelosi doesn't run both the house and senate, maybe in your dream world she does, but not in reality. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: And Trump didn't violate that law. The Dems just pretended he did, refused to include it in their articles of impeachment they felt is was so flimsy and you still believed them. No one is claiming Trump is above the law, that's a strawman. Actually yeah they are. The DOJ opinion that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted means that even if crimes are suspected (See the Mueller Report) the DOJ won't proceed down any legal avenue. You see how many Trump-adjacent people are in jail or face criminal charges due to the Mueller Report but nothing for Trump. You believe that's because Trump did nothing wrong? Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Boges said: This is not actually about removing Trump from office. It's about having hearings so the public know what Trump did. AND having GOP Senators have their names attached to condoning such behaviour. The public hearing what Trump did has improved his approval rating, and House Dems having their names attached to it is hurting them, as it will hurt any Democrat Senators in swing states who vote for it in the Senate. Great job, Trump haters, commit political suicide and help Trump just to virtue signal how much you hate him, amazing strategy. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Actually yeah they are. No actually they aren't. Not a single person is arguing Trump is above the law, that is made up spin by Trump haters to mischaracterize what his supporters are saying to make themselves sound smarter. Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: McConnell doesn't have to call anyone he doesn't want, just like Pelosi. Pelosi doesn't get to force him to call who she wants anymore than Mitch got to force her to call who he wants. That's not how it works, Pelosi doesn't run both the house and senate, maybe in your dream world she does, but not in reality. Well then the Articles won't be passed along. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Well then the Articles won't be passed along. Don't impeach Trump then. That'll show him. Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No actually they aren't. Not a single person is arguing Trump is above the law, that is made up spin by Trump haters to mischaracterize what his supporters are saying to make themselves sound smarter. The DOJ opinion does. Impeachment is the remedy for a POTUS that commits a crime. If Trump loses next November he'll probably get indicted immediately by the Souther District of New York. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Boges said: The DOJ opinion does. Impeachment is the remedy for a POTUS that commits a crime. If Trump loses next November he'll probably get indicted immediately by the Souther District of New York. You have no evidence of a crime, so impeachment based on you not liking the POTUS is just political suicide. Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Don't impeach Trump then. That'll show him. Round and Round. This is all political. He can't claim he was vindicated. Pelosi and the Democrats will respond that the GOP wouldn't commit to a fair trial. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Round and Round. This is all political. He can't claim he was vindicated. Pelosi and the Democrats will respond that the GOP wouldn't commit to a fair trial. Pelosi never gave Trump a fair hearing, so why would McConnell cave to Democrats demand for a rigged trial against Trump? That's the only kind of trial that would be fair to Democrats, if you think they'll accept anything less than rigged against Trump as a "fair trial", you're delusional. Democrats wouldn't know a fair trial if it smacked them in the face, they aren't asking for one, they are pretending to so rubes like you will believe them. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Pelosi never gave Trump a fair hearing, so why would McConnell cave to Democrats demand for a rigged trial against Trump? That's the only kind of trial that would be fair to Democrats, if you think they'll accept anything less than rigged against Trump as a "fair trial", you're delusional. The GOP didn't get to question witnesses? McConnell isn't even committing to having witnesses called. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boges said: The GOP didn't get to question witnesses? McConnell isn't even committing to having witnesses called. The GOP didn't get to call witnesses that the Dems didn't approve of. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the Dems don't get to call witnesses that the GOP doesn't approve of. That's how it works, Pelosi is crying foul that McConnell is going to use her own strategy against her, while acting like the Republicans are the only one's playing partisan games, when she just did the exact same thing she is complaining about them doing. The fact that you trust her interpretation of events without realizing this just shows how big a partisan hack you are. To Boges: If Dems do it, it's fine, but if the GOP do it, it's a crime. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The GOP didn't get to call witnesses that the Dems didn't approve of. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the Dems don't get to call witnesses that the GOP doesn't approve of. That's how it works, Pelosi is crying foul that McConnell is going to use her own strategy against her, while acting like the Republicans are the only one's playing partisan games, when she just did the exact same thing she is complaining about them doing. The fact that you trust her interpretation of events without realizing this just shows how big a partisan hack you are. To Boges: If Dems do it, it's fine, but if the GOP do it, it's a crime. The Impeachment hearings weren't a trial. The constitution calls for a Trial in the Senate. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: The Impeachment hearings weren't a trial. The constitution calls for a Trial in the Senate. The constitution does not call for a trial in the senate that is rigged to whims of House Democrats. GOP has the senate majority, deal with it. Rigging the hearings and rigging the senate trial is the same thing, both parties are doing it, it's not only republicans. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The constitution does not call for a trial in the senate that is rigged to whims of Democrats. So what type of Trial does it call for? One that has no witnesses and just go to a verdict? Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Boges said: So what type of Trial does it call for? One that has no witnesses and just go to a verdict? That's up to the senate to decide, not house democrats. There are no rules that say House Democrats get to decide what goes on in the Senate for the impeachment trial, anymore than there is a rule that says Senate Republicans get to decide what goes on in the house for impeachment hearings. It's called separation of powers, that's the way the system is designed to work. Democrats have the house majority, so they get to run impeachment hearings in the house, Republicans have the senate majority, so they get to run the impeachment trial in the senate. Both are handled in a partisan manner depending on who is in charge, it is not something that only one of the parties is doing, anyone telling you otherwise is misinformed or lying. Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell are using the same strategy and only crying foul when the other side does so, that is reality. You giving Pelosi a pass and being pissed at McConnell for doing what Pelosi did is obvious partisan hackery. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: That's up to senate to decide, not house democrats. There are no rules that say House Democrats get to decide what goes on in the Senate, anymore than there is a rule that says Senate Republicans get to decide what goes on in the house for impeachment hearings. It's called separation of powers, that's the way the system is designed to work. Democrats have the house majority, so they get to run impeachment hearings in the house, Republicans have the senate majority, so they get to run the impeachment trial in the senate. Both are handled in a partisan manner depending on who is in charge, it is not something that only one of the parties is doing, anyone telling you otherwise is misinformed or lying. And Pelosi clearly doesn't have to pass the Articles along until she's satisfied with what type of "Trial" will happen. I'm pretty sure she'll hold it until after the State of the Union in hopes that he loses his cool with her sitting behind him. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boges said: And Pelosi clearly doesn't have to pass the Articles along until she's satisfied with what type of "Trial" will happen. I'm pretty sure she'll hold it until after the State of the Union in hopes that he loses his cool with her sitting behind him. McConnell doesn't need to listen to Pelosi about a Senate trial anymore than Pelosi needed to listen to McConnell about house impeachment hearings. Same-same. Giving one of them a pass while condemning the other for the exact same behavior is an obvious double standard. Edited January 6, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Boges Posted January 6, 2020 Report Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: McConnell doesn't need to listen to Pelosi about a Senate trial anymore than Pelosi needed to listen to McConnell about house impeachment hearings. Same-same. Giving one of them a pass while condemning the other for the exact same behavior is obvious partisan hackery. Then why hasn't he acted already? He also needs 51 votes to act unilaterally on the Trial rules. Not every GOP Senator is on board with doing a show trial that just ignores all the evidence against Trump. Quote
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