Hal 9000 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Omni said: He's going to try a rewrite. Let's see how far that gets through the judiciary. Maybe some good advice would be for him to include some countries who's people have actually hurt the US. Saudi perhaps? So, you're looking for an expansion of the extreme vetting? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: So, you're looking for an expansion of the extreme vetting? Certainly not expansion but perhaps a little credibility. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: Certainly not expansion but perhaps a little credibility. Omni: "include some countries who's people have actually hurt the US." Ok, Maybe you'd suggest dropping Syria from the list and then adding Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should simply tell us all what countries should be listed, I'm all for adding Australia. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Omni: "include some countries who's people have actually hurt the US." Ok, Maybe you'd suggest dropping Syria from the list and then adding Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should simply tell us all what countries should be listed, I'm all for adding Australia. Make up your own list if you like. Just try and do better than Trump and include ones that have a "right" to be on the list. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 Maybe include Canada for Ahmed Ressam....Millennium Bomber. And that Canadian diplomat with murderer kids. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 I will say that it's absolutely staggering that the president of the USA using information from president Obama, DHS, CIA and FBI has to try and convince 3 lawyers from San Francisco about security. Even more staggering is that these judges feel they know more about security threats than these gov't agencies. No biggie, write another order. My only advice would be to write separate orders for refugees, for immigrants, for green card holders and so forth. The dems have extended the game, but Trump will still win. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Omni said: Make up your own list if you like. Just try and do better than Trump and include ones that have a "right" to be on the list. Saudi Arabia is a puppet state to serve the US interests in the region.... It is quite clear wih their version of wahabbism and export of terrorism in the form of boko haram, isis, al qaeda, 9/11 attack on the US soil this is the country that has committed the most terrorist activities... People talk about poor human rights records and terrorism in the middle east and the muslim world. But when it comes to oil, money, power and their own self interests both terrorism and human rights becomes neglected. Trump has vested business interests in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. This is the hypocrisy... US is a police state only goes into war with countries that don't serve their business interests. This is done through making these countries weak through instability, deprivation of democracy flourishing, systematic sanctions and wars. Once these countries are weak enough they become vulnerable to attack by the US. Thus has been the mantra by Washington administration for many years..... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Many terrorists and terrorist organizations can be traced to Iran....definitely keep Iran on the list. Keep Iranians out of the USA ! Edited February 11, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, kactus said: Saudi Arabia is a puppet state to serve the US interests in the region.... It is quite clear wih their version of wahabbism and export of terrorism in the form of boko haram, isis, al qaeda, 9/11 attack on the US soil this is the country that has committed the most terrorist activities... People talk about poor human rights records and terrorism in the middle east and the muslim world. But when it comes to oil, money, power and their own self interests both terrorism and human rights becomes neglected. Trump has vested business interests in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. This is the hypocrisy... US is a police state only goes into war with countries that don't serve their business interests. This is done through making these countries weak through instability, deprivation of democracy flourishing, systematic sanctions and wars. Once these countries are weak enough they become vulnerable to attack by the US. Thus has been the mantra by Washington administration for many years..... I spent a lengthy period working in Afghanistan and while it was supposed to have something to do with saving the place from Taliban etc., I can tell you there was a serious amount of USGS mineral exploration going on that revealed suspected positive results. Quote
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Many terrorists and terrorist organizations can be traced to Iran....definitely keep Iran on the list. Keep Iranians out of the USA ! ......Answer the question..... Why is Saudi Arabia not on this list? Quote
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Many terrorists and terrorist organizations can be traced to Iran....definitely keep Iran on the list. Keep Iranians out of the USA ! I suggest just building a big wall. Yuuuuge wall. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 President Trump is getting ready to bomb Iran. Maybe Iranians will go home to protect their Great Islamic Republic from The Great Satan. "Death to America !!" was heard from Iranians on the anniversary in Iran this week. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Omni said: I spent a lengthy period working in Afghanistan and while it was supposed to have something to do with saving the place from Taliban etc., I can tell you there was a serious amount of USGS mineral exploration going on that revealed suspected positive results. Glad at least someone here has had a first hand experience in those countries rather than just a so called 'keyboard' experts.... The irony is when you expose certain truths and misdeeds you are then accused of being anti-US bla bla bla.... Quote
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump is getting ready to bomb Iran. Maybe Iranians will go home to protect their Great Islamic Republic from The Great Satan. "Death to America !!" was heard from Iranians on the anniversary in Iran this week. Is that the best you could come up with? There is no hope for you.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 Maybe Trump will round up all Iranians and deport them back to the Iranian paradise. Itanians hate America, but then why do so many flee to the USA ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Maybe Trump will round up all Iranians and deport them back to the Iranian paradise. Itanians hate America, but then why do so many flee to the USA ? ....You are still drifting..... Why is Saudi Arabia not on the list? (For the third time....) Quote
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Itanians hate America, but then why do so many flee to the USA ? Itanians hate America?? lol! Quote
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, kactus said: Glad at least someone here has had a first hand experience in those countries rather than just a so called 'keyboard' experts.... The irony is when you expose certain truths and misdeeds you are then accused of being anti-US bla bla bla.... That particular job required am overnighter in Dubai both inbound and outbound. I have sipped a beer and chatted with a local im the hotel bar various times. Am hour plane ride and the whole picture changes. My point being that to tar all Muslim communities/countries with the same brush simply indicates ignorance of reality. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 President Trump surely saw this in the news....the Iranians have been boiling their hatred for America for many years: Quote Hundreds of thousands rally in Iran against Trump, chant 'Death to America' Hundreds of thousands of Iranians rallied on Friday to swear allegiance to their clerical leaders and reject U.S. President Donald Trump's warning that he had put the Islamic Republic "on notice", state TV reported. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-iran-anniversary-idUSKBN15P0QV "Death to America !! " Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump surely saw this in the news....the Iranians have been boiling their hatred for America for many years: "Death to America !! " Yup as expected...You avoided the question with usual rants. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 U.S, foreign policy: Saudis GOOD.....Iranians BAD ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Omni said: That particular job required am overnighter in Dubai both inbound and outbound. I have sipped a beer and chatted with a local im the hotel bar various times. Am hour plane ride and the whole picture changes. My point being that to tar all Muslim communities/countries with the same brush simply indicates ignorance of reality. Ofcourse it is! But when you are not exposed to the truth and only see one version of it then there was s the inclination to blame a whole nationality/ group or religion. Trump's presidency has done nothing but to give the voice to hardliners across the world and fuel extremism further. Quote
kactus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: U.S, foreign policy: Saudis GOOD.....Iranians BAD ! Got the answer to the question at last...phewww! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 Cognitive Dissonance: "Death to America !!" + "Why can't Iranians travel to America ?"...in the same national brain. 45,000 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: U.S, foreign policy: Saudis GOOD.....Iranians BAD ! Ever been to Iram? Ever studied how close relations with the country the US had? Ever heard of "Operation Boot"? Ever wondered how the Shah came to power? I'm guessing mo to all right? Quote
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