Kids sue US govs for climate negligence

[jacee]

climate-trust-suit-moves-forward/

Under the idea of public trust, governments must protect commonly held elements, such as waterways and the seashore, for public use. Under this lawsuit, the plaintiffs allege that the climate and atmosphere must be likewise protected.

"This will be the trial of the century that will determine if we have a right to a livable future, or if corporate power will continue to deny our rights for the sake of their own wealth,"

Kids these days, eh?

Sounds pretty organized.

And the court says it can go forward.

This will be one to watch.

More background here:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/25/3725052/climate-change-children-lawsuit/

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Edited April 11, 2016 by jacee

[Moonlight Graham]

Kids sue? I'm hoping these kids aren't being co-opted by the adults in the NGO in this case to further the NGOs goals. I'm really suspicious about this.

“This will be the trial of the century that will determine if we have a right to a livable future, or if corporate power will continue to deny our rights for the sake of their own wealth,” 19-year-old lead plaintiff Kelsey Juliana said in a statement following the ruling.

19 isn't a "kid", legally. Though it's possible they were when they started in the organizing of this suit.

[TimG]

"This will be the trial of the century that will determine if we have a right to a livable future, or if corporate power will continue to deny our rights for the sake of their own wealth,"[

What a joke. There is no credible evidence that the relatively modest warming to date has caused any harm what so ever. Nor can someone make a claim for hypothetical damages that may or may not occur in the future.

[eyeball]

Three fossil fuel industry trade associations, who called the case “extraordinary” and “a direct, substantial threat to [their] businesses” were granted defendant status in January

This should squelch the knee jerk dismissiveness one usually associates...

Damn...he beat me too it.

[eyeball]

Nor can someone make a claim for hypothetical damages that may or may not occur in the future.

Would you say the Clean Water Act is unconstitutional?

[jacee]

@ Moonlight Graham

Yes the role of the NGO will be one of the issues to watch.

Seems like they have some fossil fuel companies concerned.

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Edited April 11, 2016 by jacee

[TimG]

Seems like they have some fossil fuel companies concerned.

Because the know is a political exercise and that the government is filled CAGW wackos and is not going to be willing to present a objective case.

[jacee]

What a joke. There is no credible evidence that the relatively modest warming to date has caused any harm what so ever. Nor can someone make a claim for hypothetical damages that may or may not occur in the future.

That will be another interesting part of this case, the evidence and proof presented.

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[Guest]

Tell them they use fossil fuels to make smart phones. That'll sort them out.

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[TimG]

That will be another interesting part of this case, the evidence and proof presented.

Ironically the outcome depends entirely on the ability of the judge to apply his or her brain and assess the competing claims. If the judge cannot understand the technical complexities of the competing arguments then it will impossible for him or her to rule sensibly.

[eyeball]

Ironically the outcome depends entirely on the ability of the judge to apply his or her brain and assess the competing claims. If the judge cannot understand the technical complexities of the competing arguments then it will impossible for him or her to rule sensibly.

Competing arguers only need to put forth a sensible argument. We are talking about trying to educate a judge after all so how much of a stretch should it be? Surely some part of you must believe this is a feasible endeavour given how much you keep trying with us run-of-the-mill know-nothing rubes.

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[PIK]

Another case of enviros using kids to spread the BS.

[eyeball]

What BS?

[WestCoastRunner]

Another case of enviros using kids to spread the BS.

Define enviro. It is probably your co-worker, your neighbour, your butcher, your friends. What are the defining characteristics?

[WestCoastRunner]

Jaycee, is this case related to the Island Nations planning on suing the fossil fuel companies as well?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/10/3667580/south-pacific-climate-change-lawsuit/

Are they joining together?

[TimG]

Jaycee, is this case related to the Island Nations planning on suing the fossil fuel companies as well?

You mean the island nations that drained their fresh water lens and over built in sensitive areas and now expect outsiders to pay the bill for the damages they caused? One big scam after another. Edited April 11, 2016 by TimG

[WestCoastRunner]

You mean the island nations that drained their fresh water lens and over built in sensitive areas and now expect outsiders to pay the bill for the damages they caused? One big scam after another.

Can you provide cites please.

[PIK]

When I say enviro ,it is the ones that want to get rid of fossil fuels ,but have no idea how important they are to this country and its people. And I imagine many are people that are well off and can afford to be totally green or have yet to enter the work force. Well that is not the case for most of the country.

[TimG]

Can you provide cites please.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11802-005-0004-8

The coastal geological events in Tuvalu islands do not accord with the features resulted from sea level rise but do accord with the features resulted from coastal erosion, particularly from human-induced erosion. The land loss in Tuvalu is mainly caused by inappropriate human activities including coastal engineering and aggregate mining, and partly caused by cyclones. Moreover, all recent measurements (satellite altimetry, thermosteric sea level data and tide observations) so far have not been able to verify any sea level rise around Tuvalu islands.

The same kind of facts undermine any claim for "damages" from climate change.

This lawsuit is a scam.

Edited April 11, 2016 by TimG

[WestCoastRunner]

When I say enviro ,it is the ones that want to get rid of fossil fuels ,but have no idea how important they are to this country and its people. And I imagine many are people that are well off and can afford to be totally green or have yet to enter the work force. Well that is not the case for most of the country.

You imagine? A broad, generalized definition.

[WestCoastRunner]

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11802-005-0004-8

The same kind of facts undermine any claim for "damages" from climate change.

This lawsuit is a scam.

I can't read it. I have to buy it and it's from 2005. Can you provide another cite?

[TimG]

I can't read it. I have to buy it and it's from 2005. Can you provide another cite?

I gave you a cite and proves my point. That is clear from the abstract. Demanding another cite is unreasonable. If you disagree find one that specifically refutes the claims that the majority of erosion issues on these islands are caused by human activity on the islands.

[WestCoastRunner]

I gave you a cite and proves my point. That is clear from the abstract. Demanding another cite is unreasonable. If you disagree find one that specifically refutes the claims that the majority of erosion issues on these islands are caused by human activity on the islands.

It's from 2005 and I can't read it unless I buy it.

[TimG]

It's from 2005 and I can't read it unless I buy it.

So? Scientific facts don't change in 10 years. The abstract explains the point the paper makes. You are making excuse because you don't like that I demonstrated that I have a good basis for my claim that islanders demanding compensation are scammers. Edited April 11, 2016 by TimG

[waldo]

So? Scientific facts don't change in 10 years. The abstract explains the point the paper makes. You are making excuse because you don't like that I demonstrated that I have a good basis for my claim that islanders demanding compensation are scammers.

why go back 10 years... you've certainly put forward more recent links/study reference in regards this same 'Tuvalu atoll' concern - like here:

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