Women Ride Coattails Of Men In Tennis

[The_Squid]

I don't think there would be anything wrong with a formula based on gate receipts and/or TV ratings to split between male and female tennis. I also don't think there's anything wrong with getting equal prize money in the tournament either. It's up to whoever governs the sport really.

Mens and women's tennis is more intertwined than most sports, so I can see why it's equal now.

[ReeferMadness]

I think your bias is on display here. There's a level of creativity involved in sports, it's just irrelevant to people who don't like sports. I could argue the same about music. Now as for art and literature, some very good art and literature has been inspired by sports.

I am biased - but it doesn't stop me from being right. There is a "level of creativity" involved in almost anything people do but most people can recognize that level of creativity is significantly greater when it comes to great science or art. Not sports. Jock fans can think what they want.

Yeah the millions of people that got excited about the Jays last year were just being unintelligent. []

You think getting all excited over a bunch of American players playing an American game just because they happen to wear Toronto jerseys is a sign of great intelligence? I'll leave you to that.

I think we've already established that live events serving alcohol can always cause violence.

Just because you've repeatedly claimed something doesn't mean we've established anything. There's something about the mix of alcohol and sports that results in riots.

I just don't know why the potential injury from sports is an argument against sports. If it was then any physical activity where injury is possible is an unworthy venture. I think you're just opposed to the human urge to compete with other humans.

I've been injured from playing sports - that's a risk of activity. The difference is that when it comes to elite level sports, injuries happen more. And they are more debilitating. And when it comes to violent sports, I don't find anything attractive or intelligent or uplifting about 2 guys hyped up on steroids trying to injure one another while thousands of booze-fueled fans scream their support. I suppose it's still a half a step above mob behavior, but that happens after the event.

I get you like to pretend the ugly side of violent sports doesn't exist.

[ReeferMadness]

Not everyone is born a natural musician, author, or some type of artist. Some people are natural athletes who love their chosen sport to excel it. And of a chosen few can make millions on the process then so what. They understand they could get injuries, musicians can also suffer hearing loss or premature deaths.

I think that if people really love to do something, they should do it. But there is no reason that people who are incredibly talented at performing ritualized acts of no inherent value should be treated like heroes And I think it's a basic truism that you can spoil almost anything by throwing enough money at it. And there is very little good to be said about sitting on your ass watching sports as opposed to going out and being active.

Pro sports teams do immense work for charities in their home cities.

... and ISIS supports widows and orphans.

Thousands of jobs are dependent on these teams,

The same can be said about tobacco farms, coal mines, asbestos mines and nuclear weapons

and yes some of them even prove to be great role models for kids

by teaching kids that school doesn't matter if you can throw a 100 mph baseball or skate acceptably and beat the crap out of opposing players

by encouraging physical activity, team work, goal setting etc when these kids enroll on sporys.

you can find good things to say about practically anything or anyone.

[WestCoastRunner]

I think that if people really love to do something, they should do it. But there is no reason that people who are incredibly talented at performing ritualized acts of no inherent value should be treated like heroes And I think it's a basic truism that you can spoil almost anything by throwing enough money at it. And there is very little good to be said about sitting on your ass watching sports as opposed to going out and being active.

... and ISIS supports widows and orphans.

The same can be said about tobacco farms, coal mines, asbestos mines and nuclear weapons

by teaching kids that school doesn't matter if you can throw a 100 mph baseball or skate acceptably and beat the crap out of opposing players

you can find good things to say about practically anything or anyone.

You really just sound like a non sports fan and your arguments don't hold much weight.

You certainly haven't convinced me of any of your illogical statements.

Edited March 26, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[Bonam]

I agree 100% with ReeferMadness on this issue. Sports is way too overhyped in our society.

[WestCoastRunner]

I agree 100% with ReeferMadness on this issue. Sports is way too overhyped in our society.

And so is rock bands, rap, musicals? Give me a break.

Can you imagine Serena picking up a violin, Gretzky a guitar. Geez.

Edited March 26, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[Bonam]

And so is rock bands, rap, musicals?

Yes, those certainly too.

[kimmy]

I think that if people really love to do something, they should do it. But there is no reason that people who are incredibly talented at performing ritualized acts of no inherent value should be treated like heroes And I think it's a basic truism that you can spoil almost anything by throwing enough money at it. And there is very little good to be said about sitting on your ass watching sports as opposed to going out and being active.

People decide for themselves what they'd like to watch. People who excel at activities that people enjoy watching (be it singing, acting, playing guitar, putting balls through hoops, punching other people in the face, etc) are providing entertainment that others are clearly willing to pay to watch.

Did you know that you can now get on your computer and watch teams of geeks play video games against each other? I was astounded to find out that this is now a thing that people do for fun. I've played video games myself for fun... but the idea of watching other people play video games strikes me as rather weird for some reason. But is it really that different from watching people play a sport? I guess not.

-k

[Boges]

You can make big money doing "Major League Gaming". But I guess there's little chance of injury, so it's cool.

[kimmy]

You can make big money doing "Major League Gaming". But I guess there's little chance of injury, so it's cool.

Well, if people are watching it then I guess the ... uh... "athletes" deserve to make money from it... but I just don't get the appeal.

-k

[GostHacked]

Well, if people are watching it then I guess the ... uh... "athletes" deserve to make money from it... but I just don't get the appeal.

-k

If you are not much of a gamer, then watching these matches is pointless. It really started in South Korea and specifically with Starcraft. The matches between well known gamers would fill stadiums with people wanting to watch. You can really equate it to watching any other sport. Each game has different game play, strategies, tactics, goals ect. Just like any sport/game. if you don't understand the rules or gameplay then watching it will simply be a waste of time.

I like watching the matches on Rocket League, (some call it soccer cars). I've played the game for some time, but watching some of these players make me understand I am a complete novice. I've watched Team Fortress 2 matches, a game I've played for about a decade now. And some Street Fighter matches. Some of the big money that can be had is with Counter Strike : Global Offensive (CS:GO).

You can make big money doing "Major League Gaming". But I guess there's little chance of injury, so it's cool.

Repetitive stress injuries would be the most common ones. Any computer user is subject to it, professional video gamers will experience it more often.

[ReeferMadness]

People decide for themselves what they'd like to watch. People who excel at activities that people enjoy watching (be it singing, acting, playing guitar, putting balls through hoops, punching other people in the face, etc) are providing entertainment that others are clearly willing to pay to watch.

Yup. People make all kinds of decisions. Watch sports. Play video games. Eat too much. Drink too much. Work too much. Do hard drugs. But it seems that some things with no inherent redeeming value are regularly portrayed as positive, admirable or even heroic. Like binge-watching Olympics or pushing your body to the point where you inevitably wind up with repetitive strain injuries. Lots of jock fans become slaves to their sports watching activities. As a past time, there are worse things; providing it isn't accompanied by heavy drinking and people still get adequate exercise. As an addiction, it isn't much different from other addictions.

Did you know that you can now get on your computer and watch teams of geeks play video games against each other? I was astounded to find out that this is now a thing that people do for fun. I've played video games myself for fun... but the idea of watching other people play video games strikes me as rather weird for some reason. But is it really that different from watching people play a sport? I guess not.

Not much at all.

[ReeferMadness]

You really just sound like a non sports fan and your arguments don't hold much weight.

I still watch games on occasion but it's become less and less over time. I used to watch lots of sports but then again, I used to hold quite right wing views on a lot of things. As I've matured, both have diminished. I was never really a sports addict though, the way some people can't miss games.

You certainly haven't convinced me of any of your illogical statements.

Well, let's be honest. Very few people change their minds as a result of what they read on these forums.

[Big Guy]

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Well, let's be honest. Very few people change their minds as a result of what they read on these forums.

I have been a participant here for only about 1 year and I cannot recollect a single case.

[cybercoma]

If you are not much of a gamer, then watching these matches is pointless. It really started in South Korea and specifically with Starcraft. The matches between well known gamers would fill stadiums with people wanting to watch. You can really equate it to watching any other sport. Each game has different game play, strategies, tactics, goals ect. Just like any sport/game. if you don't understand the rules or gameplay then watching it will simply be a waste of time.

I like watching the matches on Rocket League, (some call it soccer cars). I've played the game for some time, but watching some of these players make me understand I am a complete novice. I've watched Team Fortress 2 matches, a game I've played for about a decade now. And some Street Fighter matches. Some of the big money that can be had is with Counter Strike : Global Offensive (CS:GO).

Repetitive stress injuries would be the most common ones. Any computer user is subject to it, professional video gamers will experience it more often.

Kronovi is a damn artist.

[GostHacked]

Kronovi is a damn artist.

Yep. Some of those aerial goals he can pull are quite awesome.

[Guest]

Here's something I never knew. Women and men play tennis with different balls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/29/andy-murray-using-a-womens-ball-at-miami-open/

[Boges]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/31/472522790/members-of-u-s-women-s-national-team-file-federal-equal-pay-complaint

Five star players from the U.S. women's national soccer team have filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, saying that the U.S. Soccer Federation pays the reigning World Cup champions far less than their male counterparts.

"I think that we've proven our worth over the years," Carli Lloyd, the 2015 FIFA women's player of the year, said in an interview on NBC's Today show. "Just coming off of a World Cup win, the pay disparity between the men and women is just too large."

The complaint was filed by five high-profile players — Lloyd, Hope Solo, Alex Morgan, Megan Rapinoe and Becky Sauerbrunn — who say that each member of the women's national team is paid thousands of dollars less than the men at nearly every level of competition, from playing "friendly" matches to qualifying and playing in the World Cup.

While a handful of players signed the complaint, Sauerbrunn said today that "the decision to file was wholeheartedly supported by the entire team."

So the US Women's National Team is the best team in the world. The Men's team is a middling team that almost got disqualified for the 2018 World Cup. The women's team is actually more profitable than the men's team. The women players make a lot less money. Now on the surface that may seem preposterous.

BUT, let's be honest. The competition at the Men's level is far higher and though the women's team makes more money, the leagues where the players are selected from a FAR! more profitable.

Tough debate though.

Edited March 31, 2016 by Boges

[Big Guy]

Here's something I never knew. Women and men play tennis with different balls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/29/andy-murray-using-a-womens-ball-at-miami-open/

So what do they use during mixed doubles?

[Guest]

So what do they use during mixed doubles?

Head explodes...

[Wilber]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/31/472522790/members-of-u-s-women-s-national-team-file-federal-equal-pay-complaint

So the US Women's National Team is the best team in the world. The Men's team is a middling team that almost got disqualified for the 2018 World Cup. The women's team is actually more profitable than the men's team. The women players make a lot less money. Now on the surface that may seem preposterous.

BUT, let's be honest. The competition at the Men's level is far higher and though the women's team makes more money, the leagues where the players are selected from a FAR! more profitable.

Tough debate though.

An Olympic medal or World Championship is an Olympic Medal or World Championship, there is no excuse for not paying men and women on national teams the same. Pro sports are different, the market decides.