300,000 more refugees coming to Canada.

[GostHacked]

I think that was their attempt to deal with the complaints of business, which wanted lots of cheap and obedient workers, and the rest of the party, which didn't want a bunch of low-rent third world immigrants settling here.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Stephen+Harper+takes+temporary+foreign+worker+program/9396893/story.html

Harper’s criticism of the temporary foreign worker program, prompted a sharp rebuke from Opposition leader Tom Mulcair. Mulcair’s NDP and the labour movement have long had similar complaints about the program.

“Every single time I have raised these exact concerns with the Conservative government, the prime minister denied there were any problems with this program,” Mulcair told The Vancouver Sun. “And now, during a secret meeting, we see him attempt to adopt NDP positions? If Stephen Harper is going to steal our ideas, he should at least do it in public.

“And, if he has truly changed his mind on temporary foreign workers, he should apologize to all those who have been hurt by this program.”

Now this is an interesting point...

The number of temporary workers entering Canada has soared from 122,365 in 2005, the year before Harper became prime minister, to a record 213,573 in 2012. Combined with those still in Canada last year, the total reached 491,547 last year, also a record.

The amount of foreign workers seemed to have doubled over Harper's leadership. Not sure if that is how one effectively deals with foreign workers.

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[Argus]

The amount of foreign workers seemed to have doubled over Harper's leadership. Not sure if that is how one effectively deals with foreign workers.

I'm not sure what your point is, either. Have I ever actually praised the Conservatives on immigration? Nope. Far from it. I've called them out on it many times.

[GostHacked]

I'm not sure what your point is, either. Have I ever actually praised the Conservatives on immigration? Nope. Far from it. I've called them out on it many times.

The point is there was double the amount of foreign workers by the time Harper left office. And I would bet that not all were Muslims but still hold very backward views towards women gays ect ......

I don't know if you called them out on it, I'll take your word for it until I see evidence otherwise.

[scribblet]

So you have no issue with bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who think gays should be imprisoned or killed and women must obey men?

I can imagine the screeching from the left if we were to let in tens of thousands of hard line fundamental Christians... Even the ex equalities chief recognizes the issues . In Europe women are told to cover up and not go out at night etc. over a growing epidemic.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/668684/Mass-immigration-CATASTROPHE-Trevor-Phillips

BRITAIN could “sleepwalk to a catastrophe” unless it takes “a more muscular” approach to tackling the divisions which large-scale immigration has opened up, a former equalities watchdog has warned.

Meanwhile Australia also is re-inforcing their hard line approach

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/14/australia-reaffirms-hard-line-immigration-policy/

[Argus]

The point is there was double the amount of foreign workers by the time Harper left office. And I would bet that not all were Muslims but still hold very backward views towards women gays ect ......

I don't know if you called them out on it, I'll take your word for it until I see evidence otherwise.

Yes, but those were temporary foreign workers, people who could be tossed out the instant they acted up. To my mind we should have no foreign workers other than for agriculture, and even then I'm of two minds about it. Why do we have thousands of non-violent prisoners sitting around watching TV when they could be harvesting apples, for example?

[G Huxley]

Eyeball has made it clear he is against extremism and the ideals that go along with it. Begin against spreading hate is actually being pro humanity. Eyeball has pushed back on all sorts of idiotic extremist ideals, and there are many examples of him doing that on MLW.

I wonder if people actually read posts... sorry not just read them, but comprehend them as to not contort what the other person says.

What is extreme being discussed here? The only thing I can see is the further destruction of the biosphere and of Canada.

". Begin against spreading hate is actually being pro humanity. E"

I just said that I'm anti humanity. Humanity is a scourge to the biosphere.

[G Huxley]

To a certain extent you are right, or were right, when big business had a bigger say in conservative politics. But their inability to donate large sums of cash has pretty much ended that time. And immigration numbers and types are largely driven by the Left. We see this now as Trudeau adjusts immigration to let in more non-skilled workers, more refugees, and more elderly immigrants.

Big business has its hand in both jars, which is why this isn't a left or a right issue, but rather an issue of doing the right thing in spite of big business.

[G Huxley]

From a cold, hard look at immigration: anyone who lives their life by the strict dictates of some idiotic fairy

tale is clearly a brick or two short of a load. When we already have a preponderance of citizens who follow ONE

set of fairy tales, why invite conflict by importing a bunch of people who are so focused upon ANOTHER set of

fairy tales?

It would be so much better for the country to simply limit immigration to those with the intellectual capacity to

deal with reality in a logical and reasonable manner

Well said.

[G Huxley]

Yes, but those were temporary foreign workers, people who could be tossed out the instant they acted up. To my mind we should have no foreign workers other than for agriculture, and even then I'm of two minds about it. Why do we have thousands of non-violent prisoners sitting around watching TV when they could be harvesting apples, for example?

Not really temporary when all they had to do is be here long enough to gain citizenship.

[Argus]

Not really temporary when all they had to do is be here long enough to gain citizenship.

No, under the Tory system temporary foreign workers were not eligible to apply for citizenship. I know the NDP wanted to change that, however. Not sure about the Liberals.

[GostHacked]

What is extreme being discussed here? The only thing I can see is the further destruction of the biosphere and of Canada.

". Begin against spreading hate is actually being pro humanity. E"

No specifics for this thread, I made that statement on what I have seen of that poster. But how about we shut down immigration completely then? Hell, stop having babies because of it all.

I just said that I'm anti humanity. Humanity is a scourge to the biosphere.

Lead the way my friend. Set the example for us.

[G Huxley]

"No specifics for this thread,"

The topic is migration. We've been on topic the entire time.

"But how about we shut down immigration completely then?"

That would be the most sensible thing to do.

"Hell, stop having babies because of it all.

Lead the way my friend. Set the example for us."

I don't have any children. However I consider a sustainable number of children to be a far more effective method of population control than to have no children. The reason? If the population was decreasing, then the Neoliberals in Ottawa would be begging for more immigrants to come, who often don't have a tradition of sustainable family sizes.

Also you need at least some population to defend the borders.

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[jacee]

So you have no issue with bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who think gays should be imprisoned or killed and women must obey men?

You mean like some posters here? ?

We don't discriminate by religion in immigration.

End of story.

[G Huxley]

"We don't discriminate by religion in immigration."

However we should discriminate against religion.

[jacee]

"We don't discriminate by religion in immigration."

However we should discriminate against religion.

We did in the past: wouldn't let the Jews in.

We won't go there again.

Move to Trump land.

.

[G Huxley]

Again, what was wrong with not letting the Jews in?

I already quoted from their holy text what would be completely inadmissible on an immigration form.

Harper spent the last few years representing Israel.

Re: Trump I disagree with him on most issues. He is actually much closer to the Israelis in sentiment e.g. building a massive wall to divide them from their neighbours.

Edited May 16, 2016 by G Huxley

[DogOnPorch]

Again, what was wrong with not letting the Jews in?

I already quoted from their holy text what would be completely inadmissible on an immigration form.

Harper spent the last few years representing Israel.

Re: Trump I disagree with him on most issues. He is actually much closer to the Israelis in sentiment e.g. building a massive wall to divide them from their neighbours.

Because Jew means anything from Sarah Silverman to that nasty orthodox rabbi that spits on the Christians. Jews can be VERY secular....that is: their religion no longer is a part of their lives.

[DogOnPorch]

We did in the past: wouldn't let the Jews in.

We won't go there again.

Move to Trump land.

.

The West has a checkered history with the Jews and kicking them out. Some kingdoms were refuges like Poland. Others treated them as scapegoats crippled by usury and sumptuary laws. Kicking them out once all the loans were due (true Christians couldn't give loans in the Middle Ages)....thus the Jews control the banks meme.

The West used them...and reviled them.

[G Huxley]

Because Jew means anything from Sarah Silverman to that nasty orthodox rabbi that spits on the Christians. Jews can be VERY secular....that is: their religion no longer is a part of their lives.

Regardless. My problem is with humans in general. We should not be letting anyone in.

[DogOnPorch]

Regardless. My problem is with humans in general. We should not be letting anyone in.

People coming to Canada isn't the problem. It's religious doctrine coming to Canada that is incompatible with basic freedoms that WILL be the problem for future generations. We vote for things in this country. Majority wins. That's all it takes.

[G Huxley]

Dogonporch:

Agreed with the latter part 100%. Of course that's why Neoliberal politicians love migrants, because they can be counted on for votes and they are unlikely to resist rather than the original population that has a stake in their country and a national identity.

Disagree with the first part. The world is overpopulated and humans are rampantly destroying the environment. We need to stop human migration at least in order to prevent in further geometric increase in damage.

Edited May 16, 2016 by G Huxley

[DogOnPorch]

Yes...there are too many people on the planet. One billion was plenty.

However, the Western pipe dream of the entire Third World giving up tradition for birth control didn't work. Well, it worked in the West re: population...stable or dropping. But not where it counted. Now a demographic time bomb is in the works that isn't going to be pretty nor pro-West/Freedom....and we're letting it in in order to fund the crumbling empire...just like Rome did.

Oh well...another Dark Age in the works.

[G Huxley]

Exactly. Also the west provides insane amounts of free grain to such countries and causes their population to boom even more. It's like giving a crack addict unlimited free crack.

Edited May 16, 2016 by G Huxley

[WestCoastRunner]

No, by best immigrants, which means people who earn enough to pay taxes, and who fit in rather than insisting on staying separate.

So no refugees allowed?

[Argus]

So no refugees allowed?

I do not think we should be taking huge masses of people from war zones. I'm okay with taking individual refugees fleeing political or religious persecution, people being specifically targeted by their government, for example. I don't see how us taking a tiny percentage of the Syrians (or Afghans or Yemenis, or whatever) fleeing their war really helps the world, much. We could help more by helping the nearby countries deal with the millions of refugees there.