DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 That's one of those big what ifs. Let's hope we don't have anything similar in the next decade. Mosaadeq wasn't popular with the majority of the Iranian Army which is why a coup was possible in the first place. While the blame has been conveniently placed upon the CIA for their rather limited role (cash/aircraft/et al), it was the Iranian Army that did the heavy-lifting. Stalin had invaded Iran during WW2 and many Iranian officers got a tour of the gulags as POWs. The idea of Mossadeq and his Tudeh allies becoming best buds with the Soviets no doubt irked many...especially seeing the very real previous attempt to annex Iran into the USSR in 1946. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Mosaadeq wasn't popular with the majority of the Iranian Army which is why a coup was possible in the first place. While the blame has been conveniently placed upon the CIA for their rather limited role (cash/aircraft/et al), it was the Iranian Army that did the heavy-lifting. Stalin had invaded Iran during WW2 and many Iranian officers got a tour of the gulags as POWs. The idea of Mossadeq and his Tudeh allies becoming best buds with the Soviets no doubt irked many...especially seeing the very real previous attempt to annex Iran into the USSR in 1946. Errm no. To say that CIA had a rather limited role is disingenous. Mossadegh was removed by coup d'etat orchestrated by CIA and MI6. One version of the story that everyone wants to hear is the fear that the root of communism was ripe in Iran back then and was falling into the hands of USSR. One major factor that gets neglected here is that Mossadegh wanted to nationalise oil and that pissed off oil companies like BP who had great stakes.... Edited March 9, 2016 by kactus Quote
Big Guy Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 Personally, I prefer evolutionary change over revolutionary change. The process is far more stable, people are able to adapt and the lack of violence prevents revenge from dominating post change society. It is the slower process but the more permanent. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 Hopefully, the Israelis will take their country back from the Netanyahu Zionist right wing elements and choose to join the world community. Ooops there it is. It was only a matter of time until the subject was changed to piss on Israel. Just once can a thread deal with something other than the same contributors' Israeli incontinence. Now in regards to the actual thread content, yah imagine that, discussing the thread....you know..the thread... Iran's elelection... The election is a sham. Every candidate is required by law to exhibit and I quote, “heart-felt and practical allegiance” to absolute clericalrule by the clergy council of Iran as a prerequisite for their candidacy. The candidates also have to be screened first as well by the Guardian Council which is made up of 6 clergy appointed by the "supreme leader" and six picked by head of the judiciary who was picked by the "supreme leader". But wait now.... The big cheese of Iran, the grand poobah, "supreme leader" Ali Khamenei is also in charge of a special committee. Oh its special...its made up of his own chief of staff, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), the IRGC commander of Tehran and the secretary of the Guardian Council. Guess what this "special" committee does. Oh go on guess because if you think Big Guy will tell you don't be silly. I'll tell you. Not to worry. This committee has the role of "purging" anyone from running in the elections, that even could remotely challenge Khamenei’s power. Their power over-rides even the Guardian Council if need be. Election my buttox. The Guardian Council disqualified any candidate it thought supported former president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Hassan Rouhani. In light of this Rouhani is now powerless and paralyzed unable to initiate any reforms. Here let's put in terms the Iranian cheerleaders on this board can understand-he's been castrated. His testes have been delivered on a platter and he sits suddenly able to sing at a high note but not do much else. Any remote signs of moderate reform were cut off with Hassan Rouhani's testes. is it any wonder Big Guy wants to talk about Israel. If people stay on topic too long they'll find out Iran is still a sham state run by a bunch of prehistoric old farts (but in the name of Allah of course). Quote
dre Posted March 8, 2016 Report Posted March 8, 2016 The elections DO matter. They might not radically change Iran overnight but those parliamentarians are responsible for managing everything from transportation to trade, and if they do a crappy incompetent job then Iranians will be worse off for it. There's other important things besides political reform. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted March 9, 2016 Report Posted March 9, 2016 Looks like the usual hardliners on our board are once again trying to sell their one-dimensional, extremist version of politics. I found the following article from a news outlet which gives a unique perspective from Iranians living outside of Iran. They normally have the freedom to be as open and frank about the situation in Iran without the fear journalists in Iran usually have in criticizing their government. Here are some excerpts: Despite their limited choice, Iranian voters opted to back a strategy that diluted the power of radical hardliners within the Islamic Republic rather than conceding the political game to them. Last week’s election results strengthened the alignment between Iranian reformists, centrists (government supporters), and moderate conservatives aimed at weakening the hardliners. After the first round of parliamentary elections, nation-wide results for the 290 seats have not been conclusively declared. But the existing strong majority in favor of those aligned with the most conservative factions has clearly been weakened. According to rough estimates, the List of Hope Coalition won 83 seats (gaining approximately 29 percent control). The conservatives and those affiliated with the “Principalists” camp won 78 seats (roughly 27 percent of the votes). Independents captured 60 seats (gaining roughly 21 percent of the votes)-while five seats went to minorities. An estimated 64-68 seats will be decided in a second round of voting expected in April. In the Assembly of Experts, the List of Hope triumphed in Tehran where it gained all but one of the 16 available seats. The body holds a total of 88 seats, the majority retained by conservative candidates. The articles continues with 5 opportunities that Rouhani and his supporters have and the 5 challenges that they will come up against after these elections. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Looks like the usual hardliners on our board are once again trying to sell their one-dimensional, extremist version of politics. What's one-dimensional? Your view that Iran is a wonderful place because, well, it hates Israel and wants to destroy it, just like you do? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Two Iranian ballistic missiles launch apparently with Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. They mean figuratively...of course. http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iran-fires-2-missiles-marked-with-israel-must-be-wiped-out-1.2809703 These are Iran's 'new' Qadr-H ballistic missiles based on the Shahab family of rockets. They're hypergolic fueled with a CEP in the 2km range...capable of striking Israel...duh. While Iran claims they're not for nuclear weapons, the high CEP on these rigs says they're fibbing. Launch footage... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGxmTgPsBc Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What's one-dimensional? Your view that Iran is a wonderful place because, well, it hates Israel and wants to destroy it, just like you do? How did you get that my view is that Iran is a wonderful place and the rest of the things you made up? It doesn't look like that you actually read anything beyond the first few words and instead, you confirmed how your way of thinking and how you process debates is one-dimensional and superficial. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Two Iranian ballistic missiles launch apparently with Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. They mean figuratively...of course. http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iran-fires-2-missiles-marked-with-israel-must-be-wiped-out-1.2809703 These are Iran's 'new' Qadr-H ballistic missiles based on the Shahab family of rockets. They're hypergolic fueled with a CEP in the 2km range...capable of striking Israel...duh. While Iran claims they're not for nuclear weapons, the high CEP on these rigs says they're fibbing. Launch footage... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGxmTgPsBc So what? How many ballistic missiles does Israel have? How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? How often do Israelis, including Israeli kids write on missiles that usually end up killing innocent people? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 So what? How many ballistic missiles does Israel have? How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? How often do Israelis, including Israeli kids write on missiles that usually end up killing innocent people? Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. What do you reckon is written on the side of missiles fired from US F 16's into Palestine. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What do you reckon is written on the side of missiles fired from US F 16's into Palestine. What exactly? Show me. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What exactly? Show me. They are hard to read when they are going so fast. Do you actually think it matters? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 They are hard to read when they are going so fast. Do you actually think it matters? Israel must be wiped out on the side of their ICBM in Hebrew. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Israel must be wiped out on the side of their ICBM in Hebrew. I doubt Israel puts that on the side of their ICBM's. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 I doubt Israel puts that on the side of their ICBM's. You're free to deny whatever suits you. However, I'm sure Israel noticed that Iran makes ballistic missiles for their non-existent nuclear program with "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" emblazoned on the side in HEBREW....you know...the language those darn Jews speak. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 You're free to deny whatever suits you. However, I'm sure Israel noticed that Iran makes ballistic missiles for their non-existent nuclear program with "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" emblazoned on the side in HEBREW....you know...the language those darn Jews speak. Somehow you have confused the missiles that are fired from an F 16 with Iranian missiles. I'm not quite sure how. Oh well. Keep tryin' Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Somehow you have confused the missiles that are fired from an F 16 with Iranian missiles. I'm not quite sure how. Oh well. Keep tryin' Again: you're free to deny or believe that Iran wrote "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" on the side of their ICBM in Hebrew. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-fires-missiles-marked-israel-wiped-37510457 Edited March 12, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Again: you're free to deny or believe that Iran wrote "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" on the side of their ICBM in Hebrew. Again,sigh: what do you think is written on the missiles fired from an Israeli flown US built F 16? I know that is a bit of a complicated question. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Again,sigh: what do you think is written on the missiles fired from an Israeli flown US built F 16? I know that is a bit of a complicated question. You're the one changing the subject. Show me what's written on Israeli missiles other than "Raytheon". I'm more interested in Iran admitting that it seeks to destroy Israel via nuclear weapons. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 You're the one changing the subject. Show me what's written on Israeli missiles other than "Raytheon". I'm more interested in Iran admitting that it seeks to destroy Israel via nuclear weapons. Maybe go back to #36 and you will see the subject I was referring to. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Maybe go back to #36 and you will see the subject I was referring to. It says: Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. Which is a quote from the news services. You're free to continue denying the Iranians did this. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Was it just some overzealous technicians that wrote this on their own or were they following orders? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Two Iranian ballistic missiles launch apparently with Israel Must Be Wiped Out written on the side in Hebrew. .... Iran is free to test any missiles it wants. Missile testing was not part of the historic deal and Iran is still a sovereign nation. Maybe in time it will have as many missiles pointed at Israel as Israel has pointed at Iran. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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