"No Schedule" on Cannabis Legalization

[Boges]

I would and will pay more for marijuana which is controlled by government than from illegal dealers. In my area, we still have a major problem with illegal drugs. The same folks who are selling marijuana are also selling Morphine, Fentanyl, Oxycodone and Codeine. Not sure I would trust them with what I intend to put into my body. BTW - My interest and need is in pain control and using the THC in marijuana for relief without the side effects of other pain medication.

Then why aren't you already utilizing medical marijuana avenues?

[Big Guy]

Then why aren't you already utilizing medical marijuana avenues?

None of the physicians in our area will prescribe the THC in Marijuana to their patients. They will refer you to doctors in the big cities, some of who will prescibe by mail. It is a long and expensive process with limits on the length and quantity of the prescription. After 40 years of smoking and only recent breaking the habit, I have no wish to inhale anything.

I have no problems with people using recreational marijuana and would prefer they use that drug rather than alcohol. We also have an alcoholism problem in our community which seems to run in generations in families. I would just like to see marijuana purity guaranteed by the health community.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Big Guy

[Smoke]

What makes you think home grown pot is any better? You'd have to a horticulturalist to know what you were doing.

Hahaha. You have to be a horticulturist to grow good weed. That's a good one! You obviously haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

[Smallc]

Hahaha. You have to be a horticulturist to grow good weed. That's a good one! You obviously haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

If you actually read what I wrote, you'd understand that I was talking about quality marijuana. There's a reason most people go to their dealer now rather than growing their own.

[cybercoma]

Considering how garbage the weed was that Health Canada was peddling, if they don't actually allow for quality weed to be sold legally then people will continue to deal with it on the black market.

[Smallc]

Considering how garbage the weed was that Health Canada was peddling, if they don't actually allow for quality weed to be sold legally then people will continue to deal with it on the black market.

Now that I agree with. It has to be good, or no one will buy it.

[cybercoma]

And seriously, how are you going to sell pot in stores and not allow people to grow their own. That's almost as stupid as saying someone needs to be near death in order to have a doctor assist them to die with dignity. The Liberals are going to drop the ball on this one, big time. It's going to be an epic clusterf*** on par with the gun registry.

[Smallc]

And seriously, how are you going to sell pot in stores and not allow people to grow their own.\\

I think there's precedent for that with other harmful substances. The government feels that it needs to pass through the regulatory framework. I'm not sure I disagree with that.

[overthere]

I think the only viable estimate would be to extrapolate from other jurisdictions. Colorado was $135 million in tax revenue last year, assuming it scales with population that would put Canada as a whole at about $890 million.

No, you cannot extrapolate. The legal situation and weed industry prior to legalization in both places is completely different.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government warns legalized recreational marijuana will be a strictly controlled substance — so much so that even homegrown weed may be prohibited.

Federal Health Minister Jane Philpott said the government is “taking a public health approach to the matter of the legalization and regulation of marijuana,” treating it like tobacco.

But in Ontario — despite strong anti-smoking laws — growing tobacco for personal consumption is allowed.

That raises questions about the efficacy of banning Canadians from cultivating marijuana at home for recreational use once it is legalized next year.

I thought Trudeau has the political wit to realize how horrifically he has bungled this 'promise' already, and run hard for the tall timber by just legalizing it and dumping it on each province to enforce. Looks like I overestimated him again.

This will be such a shit show.

I agree, except that you are using a future tense with the word 'will'.

I submit that it already is a shit show, since many Canadians are still getting criminal records for possession of weed while we again wait for 'consultations with Canadians' to drag on indefinitely.. Maybe it would have been responsible and prudent to have had a plan of any kind prior to making promises?

[overthere]

I think there's precedent for that with other harmful substances. The government feels that it needs to pass through the regulatory framework. I'm not sure I disagree with that.

Please put down that bong.

Now that I agree with. It has to be good, or no one will buy it.

It has to be both good and cheaper than the weed consumers have enjoyed for decades. Now you can explain how that will happen when yiou layer all those taxes and admin costs and new enforcement costs . Do take your time.

[cybercoma]

I think there's precedent for that with other harmful substances. The government feels that it needs to pass through the regulatory framework. I'm not sure I disagree with that.

You can grow your own tobacco and you can make your own beer and wine.

[cybercoma]

Please put down that bong.

It has to be both good and cheaper than the weed consumers have enjoyed for decades. Now you can explain how that will happen when yiou layer all those taxes and admin costs and new enforcement costs . Do take your time.

It doesn't have to be cheaper. It can't be ludicrously more expensive but it can cost more. People will pay for the convenience and accessibility.

[Wilber]

You can grow your own tobacco and you can make your own beer and wine.

But you can't buy or sell it without taxes being paid. Access is also regulated.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Wilber

[Smallc]

It has to be both good and cheaper than the weed consumers have enjoyed for decades. Now you can explain how that will happen when yiou layer all those taxes and admin costs and new enforcement costs . Do take your time.

It doesn't have to be cheaper. It simply has to priced reasonably the same.

[Boges]

But you can't buy or sell it without taxes being paid.

Fine but the reason the thread was bumped was because there's a repot that's saying JT's government will ban growing of cannabis.

[Smallc]

You can grow your own tobacco and you can make your own beer and wine.

I wasn't aware that we could grow tobacco. I think the regulations will largely follow the same model as alcohol.

[Boges]

It doesn't have to be cheaper. It simply has to priced reasonably the same.

Which will be impossible with all that tax revenue they hope to generate and all those generously paid union employees they'll want to employ.

[Smallc]

But you can't buy or sell it without taxes being paid. Access is also regulated.

And that's what I would expect the regulations to reflect.

[Boges]

I wasn't aware that we could grow tobacco. I think the regulations will largely follow the same model as alcohol.

Not according to reports released today. They plan to ban the practice of growing for personal use. Way to argue your point without reading the latest information.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Boges

[Smallc]

Which will be impossible with all that tax revenue they hope to generate and all those generously paid union employees they'll want to employ.

Not necessarily. Right now, it has the built in cost of being illegal and black market.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Smallc

[Smallc]

Not according to reports released today. They plan to ban the practice of growing for personal use.

The working group has barely even begun their study. I think that's premature.

[Smallc]

Fine but the reason the thread was bumped was because there's a repot that's saying JT's government will ban growing of cannabis.

To be fair, they're not banning something that's already illegal. It's not like people grow a lot of their own weed right now.

[Wilber]

And that's what I would expect the regulations to reflect.

I think so to.

[Wilber]

And that's what I would expect the regulations to reflect.

The question of impairment will also need to be addressed.

[Boges]

Liberal MPP Bill Blair (Scarborough Southwest), the former Toronto police chief and a Trudeau lieutenant on the marijuana file, went further when asked if people would be allowed to grow their own pot.

“Unlike (growing) tomatoes, it is a substance that poses certain significant both social and health harms and risks to Canadians,” said Blair, noting “the science is overwhelmingly clear that marijuana is not a benign substance.”

He said that’s why Ottawa will be “ensuring that an effective and comprehensive regulatory framework is put in place to control the production, distribution, and the consumption of marijuana.”

Blair said the overarching goal of legalization is “protecting our kids, getting organized crime out of this trade . . . by reducing the violence and victimization they’re responsible for — and doing everything possible to ensure whatever is consumed by Canadians is as healthful as we can make it.”

That suggests Ottawa is leaning toward regulations for recreational marijuana similar to those governing medicinal cannabis, which is already legal in Canada.

Such marijuana is available with a prescription from a medical doctor and is supplied by 33 Health Canada-licensed producers and delivered by registered mail.

With the Tomato analogy it seems clear he's not interested in allowing people to grow their own.