Donald vs Hillary

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

5 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Well if it takes sisterhood to keep a pig out I'm all for my American sisters.

Exactly, and that's what I mean when I say that Trump has taken the pressure off their dilemma. I'll slow it down for you, if the republican nominee was somebody else (say Rubio or Carson), then women would still vote for Hillary, but would have to justify their decision without admitting that it's merely about sisterhood.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

And they must give back their uterus

But that means Hillary Clinton will have fewer wombs in which to abort babies votes.

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Exactly, and that's what I mean when I say that Trump has taken the pressure off their dilemma. I'll slow it down for you, if the republican nominee was somebody else (say Rubio or Carson), then women would still vote for Hillary, but would have to justify their decision without admitting that it's merely about sisterhood.

Good grief.

Wilber · October 15, 2016

5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Exactly, and that's what I mean when I say that Trump has taken the pressure off their dilemma. I'll slow it down for you, if the republican nominee was somebody else (say Rubio or Carson), then women would still vote for Hillary, but would have to justify their decision without admitting that it's merely about sisterhood.

Thanks for confirming what I said. You believe that women aren't capable of making objective decisions if another woman is involved. Men are so much superior in that regard.

I took the joke differently than you. To me it said, how can you vote for Trump? Not why won't you vote for Hillary?

Edited October 15, 2016 by Wilber

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

Thanks for confirming what I said. You believe that women aren't capable of making objective decisions if another women is involved. Men are so much superior in that regard.

I took the joke differently than you. To me it said, how can you vote for Trump? Not why won't you vote for Hillary?

Not really, it's not about making objective decisions, women can do that just fine. They won't make an objective decision because they're not being asked to, they're being asked to make the emotional decision.

Elections aren't always about being objective - and certainly not this one. This election is all emotion based, there has actually been very little that Hillary has said that she would do. She hasn't been out on the campaign trail espousing her ideas, she's basically only appeared at private fundraisers and everything on the news is Trump and these controversies. The emails should show people what and who Hillary is, but people don't want to know it, is this objective? Are Hillary voters being objective when they refuse to even read, let alone think about the implications of the wikileaks dumps? Not a chance!

Tell me, do think there is anything that Hillary could do that would have her lose the support of someone like WCR?

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Not really, it's not about making objective decisions, women can do that just fine. They won't make an objective decision because they're not being asked to, they're being asked to make the emotional decision.

Elections aren't always about being objective - and certainly not this one. This election is all emotion based, there has actually been very little that Hillary has said that she would do. She hasn't been out on the campaign trail espousing her ideas, she's basically only appeared at private fundraisers and everything on the news is Trump and these controversies. The emails should show people what and who Hillary is, but people don't want to know it, is this objective? Are Hillary voters being objective when they refuse to even read, let alone think about the implications of the wikileaks dumps? Not a chance!

Tell me, do think there is anything that Hillary could do that would have her lose the support of someone like WCR?

You are simply expressing your personal opinion about why women vote for a particular candidate and it's actually demeaning to women. Emotional? Come on, man!

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

4 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

You are simply expressing your personal opinion about why women vote for a particular candidate and it's actually demeaning to women. Emotional? Come on, man!

If this campaign is not about voting your emotions, then what is it about?

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

3 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

You are simply expressing your personal opinion about why women vote for a particular candidate and it's actually demeaning to women. Emotional? Come on, man!

It was also "demeaning" to women to suggest they should not vote for Trump or risk losing their uteruses.

Millions of women, African Americans, Hispanics, immigrants, etc. will vote for Donald Trump, regardless of political rhetoric.

Wilber · October 15, 2016

So women's support is emotional but men's is objective. Keep digging. Hillary hasn't been on the campaign trail because she doesn't want to interfere with with Trump's implosion. She wants all the attention on him right now, which makes her a hell of a lot smarter than him.

It's very easy to make an objective decision about Trump. As far as Hillary goes, she has a long history and it isn't all squeaky clean so it is a little more difficult.

You will have to educate me. What is WCR?

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

4 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

If this campaign is not about voting your emotions, then what is it about?

Keeping the pig out of power.

bush_cheney2004 · October 15, 2016

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Keeping the pig out of power.

Which one ?

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

Just now, WestCoastRunner said:

Keeping the pig out of power.

Which is emotional, thank you!

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Which is emotional, thank you!

Why is it emotional?

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

A conversation overhead by Hillary. "When I meet a good looking dude I can't help myself, I have to kiss him and stick my tongue down his throat and then grab his cock. I just can't help myself, I tell ya!

WestCoastRunner · October 15, 2016

Have to get home and hunker down for the storm.

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

6 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Why is it emotional?

Nobody talks about what Hillary will do, Hillary hasn't been seen, let alone said anything, the MSM says nothing about policy (Hillary or Trumps) or wikileaks. They have spent over a week straight talking negatively about Trump and this audio recording. So, why are the polls changing in favour of Clinton?

Wilber · October 15, 2016

Because people are seeing Trump for what he is. Objectively.

cybercoma · October 15, 2016

36 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Not really, it's not about making objective decisions, women can do that just fine. They won't make an objective decision because they're not being asked to, they're being asked to make the emotional decision.

You don't think it's an objective decision to reject a candidate who has admitted to sexually assaulting women, who's on tape making sexual advances to children as young as ten years old, who talks about his own daughter in a sexual manner, who lost nearly a billion dollars running casinos, who has a history of rejecting tenants because they're black, who mocked a reporter's disability, who called an Academy Award winning actress a retard because she's deaf, who talked about how much he admires dictators in China and Russia, and the list goes on and on. Republicans themselves are rejecting Donald Trump; is that not an objective decision?

Answer me this honestly. I just want to know one thing. What exactly would it take for you to reject Donald Trump?

Hal 9000 · October 15, 2016

Most of those reasons are fed to you by the press as reasons, emotional reasons why you shouldn't like the guy. I don't want to get into a "prove it" argument, but taking quotes from a shock radio program is desperate. As for the billion dollar loss, you know he actually didn't lose a billion dollars right?

As for the last question, for me it's not so much about accepting or rejecting either candidate, for me it's the establishment and the press. The press is looking more and more like that found in Russia or North Korea, I find this to be the most dangerous by-product of this election. I want the press to lose.

Wilber · October 16, 2016

Emails are the headline on CNN website.

Hal 9000 · October 16, 2016

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

Emails are the headline on CNN website.

I haven't seen it, but I'll bet Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper bring on a panel ready to explain it all away. Wanna make a wager?

Wilber · October 16, 2016

Ya well, you never will see something if you make a point of not looking for it.

Hal 9000 · October 16, 2016

2 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Ya well, you never will see something if you make a point of not looking for it.

Oh, I'll see it all. In fact, I'll look for it through different outlets as well.

I read the web page, they seem to have missed the email about Bill get a $1Million birthday present from Qatar while Hillary was SOS.

You see, CNN can say there are wikileaks emails, and show the lightest ones with the caveat that they aren't really bad. I read a Vanity Fair article yesterday that supposedly had the 6 most damning emails and it was a joke.

cybercoma · October 16, 2016

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Most of those reasons are fed to you by the press

HAL, you are not being objective. Most of those reasons are directly out of the mouth of Donald Trump. They're verifiable through court documents, video footage of him, and by other means. Of course they were presented through the press. They're reporters. Rejecting something simply because it's reported by the "mainstream" media is by definition not objective. Do those things I listed really not bother you? Or are you actually suggesting they're not issues, they're lies, or maybe you just don't care about them? Even Republicans have cited many of these things as the reason they're abandoning him, so it's not partisan smearing either.

Edited October 16, 2016 by cybercoma

Argus · October 16, 2016

4 hours ago, Rue said:

I did not use the word allege because her attacks on the women are public domain.

For example she referred to Monica Lewinsky as follows:

"In a letter to a friend made public in 2014, Clinton referred to Lewinsky as a “narcissistic loony toon.” "

Here are some more details about her first case as a defence lawyer when she was 27 defending a man who raped a 12 year old girl and got away with a lesser sentence. These are excerpts from an article writtren by Josh Rogin i a former senior correspondent for national security and politics the The Daily Beast.

I really don't get how you people are shocked and aghast that Clinton had disrespect for adulterous women who slept with her husband, knowing he was married. You think she should have invited them over for tea and promised to be best friends for life? I know a woman who was cheated on and if she ever came across the other woman she'd beat the living crap out of her.

As for what she did as a defense attorney, to do anything other than her level best on behalf of her client would be unethical and cause disbarment. I understand the victim is bitter but I doubt you'll find many victims with much love in their hearts for the defense attorney who tried to get their client off, especially in a sexual assault case.