-1=e^ipi Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 Ignoring everything but the resource sector is certainly not diversifying. Now we have 35$ bbl oil so we will have to play a lot of catch up. That wouldn't be so bad if there were pipelines to transport the oil and we didn't have governments and activists intent on shutting it down. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 That wouldn't be so bad if there were pipelines to transport the oil and we didn't have governments and activists intent on shutting it down. What the government is discussing a need to do is diversifying the economy and pulling away from the previous idea of all eggs in the fossil fuel sector, and it's about time. Quote
dre Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 So, you think working as a public servant is less noble than striving to earn the big bucks? I respectfully disagree. And many schools are Liberal, so it's not surprising he was Liberal while in college. Then he grew up. Meh... not fond of the idea of career politicians. You should only be allowed in politics for a few years then you should have to get a real job. And you should have some reasonable amount of experience in the private sector before you go into politics IMHO. I think the original idea behind western democracies was that real working people would run for office, and leave their farms, jobs, businesses etc for a few years to help run the government. Now people spend their whole lives in politics getting more and more corrupt. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
-1=e^ipi Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 What the government is discussing a need to do is diversifying the economy and pulling away from the previous idea of all eggs in the fossil fuel sector, and it's about time. How is being supportive of the resource sector as well as other sections not 'diversifying' while wanting to shut down the resource sector is? The majority of Canada's economy is not resource based. I guess the push to go 100% renewable with no nuclear or fossil fuels is 'diversity' but a more balanced approach is not. Makes you wonder about the Orwellian redefinition of 'diversity' by neoprogressives. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 How is being supportive of the resource sector as well as other sections not 'diversifying' while wanting to shut down the resource sector is? The majority of Canada's economy is not resource based. I guess the push to go 100% renewable with no nuclear or fossil fuels is 'diversity' but a more balanced approach is not. Makes you wonder about the Orwellian redefinition of 'diversity' by neoprogressives. I'm not sure who you think is shutting down the resource sector, but we have seen what has happened to the economy with a government who seemed to think it would be the goose with the golden egg for all time. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 I'm not sure who you think is shutting down the resource sector, but we have seen what has happened to the economy with a government who seemed to think it would be the goose with the golden egg for all time. Did Norway 'put all their eggs in one basket' or 'think it would be a golden goose for all time'? Or did they take advantage of natural resources to better the wellbeing of their citizens and save for the future? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 Did Norway 'put all their eggs in one basket' or 'think it would be a golden goose for all time'? Or did they take advantage of natural resources to better the wellbeing of their citizens and save for the future? $35 bbl for the foreseeable future does not bode well for our future. We have made money from fossils as has Norway, but it's time to move on. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 $35 bbl for the foreseeable future does not bode well for our future. It won't last. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 It won't last. I suspect you're right, it will likely drop even further, especially with Iran coming to the party soon. Quote
ironstone Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 With all the oil being pumped out of the ground around the world, oil prices will continue to stay cheap for many years to come. Especially since Iran is going to be officially coming back into the market. That's a big hit to our economy. The Liberals will have to find a way to diversify our economy. An economy that is too dependent on the energy sector and natural resources. Renewable energy is obviously something that most countries are investing in, so that goes without saying. At the same time, we should be looking at nurturing the tech sector and attracting skilled workers, like engineers and programmers from around the world. We should also look at our agriculture industry. Organic fruits and vegetables, grown in greenhouses is a market that is still young, but has lots of potential. This is something both the feds and the provincial governments should be investing in. It's always called "renewable"energy,but I think "intermittent" energy is more accurate. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 If you truly believe that flower children ran Alberta's economy into the ground ... what are you smoking? It might not be there yet but that seems to be where it's being aimed. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 Politicians in general are about power at any cost. Good thing the conservative government didn't divert money to Harper's enterprises. Oh wait! He doesn't have any! He worked for wages in mail room, and was grooming himself to be a career politician as early as high school when he joined the Young Liberals Club (cough cough). As opposed to what? Trudeau who got his money from daddy and his current job from daddy's friends? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 Ignoring everything but the resource sector is certainly not diversifying. True, but you have ZERO evidence they did that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 What the government is discussing a need to do is diversifying the economy and pulling away from the previous idea of all eggs in the fossil fuel sector, and it's about time. Natural resources encompasses a lot more than fossil fuel. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Meh... not fond of the idea of career politicians. You should only be allowed in politics for a few years then you should have to get a real job. And you should have some reasonable amount of experience in the private sector before you go into politics IMHO. I think the original idea behind western democracies was that real working people would run for office, and leave their farms, jobs, businesses etc for a few years to help run the government. Now people spend their whole lives in politics getting more and more corrupt. This is why drafting representatives or randomly picking them like jurists would make more sense. We could just as easily throw darts at a dartboard filled with candidates names and do as well/bad as we do know and never tell the difference. Edited December 18, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bonam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 This is why drafting representatives or randomly picking them like jurists would make more sense. We could just as easily throw darts at a dartboard filled with candidates names and do as well/bad as we do know and never tell the difference. I suspect that with a lottery-type system we definitely could tell the difference - it would be much better than what we have. Quote
jacee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 Did Norway 'put all their eggs in one basket' or 'think it would be a golden goose for all time'? Or did they take advantage of natural resources to better the wellbeing of their citizens and save for the future? Yes Norway nationalized their oil for the benefit of all citizens. Canada sold it's oil off cheap to private corporations, and then subsidized them with our money! . Quote
jacee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) It's always called "renewable"energy,but I think "intermittent" energy is more accurate.Improvements in battery storage are the key:Tesla Powerwall in-home battery pack coming to Canada http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/tesla-powerwall-in-home-battery-pack-coming-to-canada/article24244093/?service=mobile . Edited December 18, 2015 by jacee Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 True, but you have ZERO evidence they did that. Harper put way too much faith in oil prices to try to get us out of deficit. Quote
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 Yes Norway nationalized their oil for the benefit of all citizens. Canada sold it's oil off cheap to private corporations, and then subsidized them with our money! No, the citizens of Canada took the benefit of their oil as it came in, refusing to save it, because they wanted low, low taxes NOW. The citizens of Norway put money away in an intelligent fashion to be used in the future when needed. I feel no sorrow for Albertans, who decade after decade elected governments which promised them top rate services, a huge public service getting top flight pay, and low, low taxes while saving NOTHING. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 Harper put way too much faith in oil prices to try to get us out of deficit. No evidence to support that, whatsoever. None. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 No evidence to support that, whatsoever. None. Even if he did, anyone would have done the same thing at the time. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 No evidence to support that, whatsoever. None. Why do you think they kept delaying their spring budget and then had to rob the contingency fund to try and get things to balance? Give you a hint...$45bbl Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 I suspect that with a lottery-type system we definitely could tell the difference - it would be much better than what we have. The sad part is that I suspect that you are right. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted December 19, 2015 Report Posted December 19, 2015 I fail to see how shutting down the resource sector in the name of 'saving the planet' is 'diversifying'. Nothing will be 'shut down'. It's about going through a faster transition to renewables and finding other ways for our country to make money. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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