G-20 Putin exposes those helping ISIS

[Topaz]

Putin expose to the G-20 Summit, that some of those countries are giving financial aid to ISIS and showed pictures of the oil smuggling ISIS is doing. I have read in other articles that Iraq has pictures of US planes dropping supplies to ISIS on several occasions, is this true, maybe, maybe not. It does make one wonder how the countries that fought against Hitler in the WW2, can't seem to over come the gang of ISIS.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-gloves-come-off-vladimir-putin-exposes-g20s-financial-ties-to-isis/5489632

[Moonlight Graham]

Putin didn't say that countries themselves are financing ISIS, only that private individual businessmen from G20 countries are financing them. The article twisted the original Putin quote from the original article. Also, global research isn't the most reliable source (for one, it's run by a Russian).

From the original article:

Putin said at the G20 summit that Russia has presented examples of terrorism financing by individual businessmen from 40 countries, including from member states of the G20. "I provided examples related to our data on the financing of Islamic State units by natural persons in various countries. The financing comes from 40 countries, as we established, including some G20 members," Putin told reporters following the summit.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Moonlight Graham

[Big Guy]

Putin just verified that those 224 innocent people killed in the airplane brought down by ISIS used a bomb.

I have been watching 24/7 coverage of outrage over Paris.

What about the outrage regarding those 224 innocent who were murdered (twice as many as in Paris) ?

[Rue]

Thank you ML Graham for straightening that out asap. I may disagree with you on much but I sure as hell appreciate your interventions like that. It helps this forum stay clear on certain issues that would otherwise mislead. I appreciate all members who do that.

[ReeferMadness]

This is pathetic. Putin is making the west look like idiots - and we've made it easy for him. The link I posted yesterday saying that the US knew the oil was going to Turkey was a year old - and nothing was done about it. If ISIS had been starved for funds instead of the "bomb for show" campaign, they could have collapsed long ago and maybe Paris wouldn't have happened.

All the right wingers on this forum can look at Harper for his part in this. Canada would have known what was going on and he kept on claiming all we could do was bomb.

It's all bullshit and until it's not, we should pull out completely.

[WestCoastRunner]

Putin just verified that those 224 innocent people killed in the airplane brought down by ISIS used a bomb.

I have been watching 24/7 coverage of outrage over Paris.

What about the outrage regarding those 224 innocent who were murdered (twice as many as in Paris) ?

Are you kidding? There was tons of coverage and outrage in the media. That story went away just as the Paris story will.

[GostHacked]

Are you kidding? There was tons of coverage and outrage in the media. That story went away just as the Paris story will.

There have been many bombings in Iraq for a few years that happen on a weekly basis. The numbers killed in those weekly attacks match that of this single terror attack in Paris.

It is nice to be outraged at this event in Paris, and I am upset about it as well. But if that upsets you, then the other bombings should equally piss you off. Even the attack in Beruit only got a little bit of play, but this Paris attack is being absolutely milked by governments and media. Never let a crisis go to waste.

[WestCoastRunner]

It is nice to be outraged at this event in Paris, and I am upset about it as well. But if that upsets you, then the other bombings should equally piss you off. Even the attack in Beruit only got a little bit of play, but this Paris attack is being absolutely milked by governments and media. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Are you suggesting I don't care about other bombings because quite frankly that's not your place to suggest that to me.

[GostHacked]

Are you suggesting I don't care about other bombings because quite frankly that's not your place to suggest that to me.

The statement really was not an attack on you, but more to the forum in general. I could have worded it a bit better.

But I really don't know. I guess we could compare the number of posts regarding the bombings in Iraq and the ones in Paris and see where a member posts more.

[WestCoastRunner]

The statement really was not an attack on you, but more to the forum in general. I could have worded it a bit better.

But I really don't know. I guess we could compare the number of posts regarding the bombings in Iraq and the ones in Paris and see where a member posts more.

And that would be your measurement on how much someone cares About murdering innocent people? Interesting thought but really has no substance. Edited November 17, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[GostHacked]

And that would be your measurement on how much someone cares About murdering innocent people? Interesting thought but really has no substance.

It has substance indeed. That is reflected in the media coverage and our governments response to the attacks in Paris. Compare that to the coverage of weekly bombings in Iraq ...... there is your answer.

[Guest]

There have been many bombings in Iraq for a few years that happen on a weekly basis. The numbers killed in those weekly attacks match that of this single terror attack in Paris.

It is nice to be outraged at this event in Paris, and I am upset about it as well. But if that upsets you, then the other bombings should equally piss you off. Even the attack in Beruit only got a little bit of play, but this Paris attack is being absolutely milked by governments and media. Never let a crisis go to waste.

There is more to an event than the event itself. People are used to, and expect, suicide bombings in the Middle East. They happen frequently enough that people might not say, "hang on, Beirut, that's a liitle off the usual path for these things". In a few years we might not be making such a fuss about the Paris type events either, if we don't get a grip.

[WestCoastRunner]

It has substance indeed. That is reflected in the media coverage and our governments response to the attacks in Paris. Compare that to the coverage of weekly bombings in Iraq ...... there is your answer.

The problem is public apathy over incidents that happen time and again. We could say the same thing for shooting of innocent children in the u.s. Or sex trafficking of children.

Planes blown out of the sky, civilians slaughtered at cafes and concerts are not typical.

[GostHacked]

There is more to an event than the event itself. People are used to, and expect, suicide bombings in the Middle East. They happen frequently enough that people might not say, "hang on, Beirut, that's a liitle off the usual path for these things". In a few years we might not be making such a fuss about the Paris type events either, if we don't get a grip.

The grip was lost already. The suicide bombings started happening on a weekly basis a short while after Iraq was 'pacified' via Mission Accomplished. Really, what was accomplished? Our governments helped destroy a power structure that would have kept this in check for the most part. But we are now needing to go BACK into Iraq. Just like I predicted over a year ago when we saw people like Obama say 'it sounds like an Iraq problem'.

Now even over the past few years Syria has been absolutely screwed over by West and East powers along with getting beat up by ISIS (or ISIL however you want to call these idiots).

And now the response to these attacks is .. more bombing in Syria. Yes this will work indeed.

[GostHacked]

The problem is public apathy over incidents that happen time and again. We could say the same thing for shooting of innocent children in the u.s. Or sex trafficking of children.

Planes blown out of the sky, civilians slaughtered at cafes and concerts are not typical.

I agree with the public apathy notion. But because it happens over and over again, that should get us more involved to help those we 'helped'. We collectively screwed up and we still blame them for the overall problem. Seems really stupid to me.

[Guest]

The grip was lost already. The suicide bombings started happening on a weekly basis a short while after Iraq was 'pacified' via Mission Accomplished. Really, what was accomplished? Our governments helped destroy a power structure that would have kept this in check for the most part. But we are now needing to go BACK into Iraq. Just like I predicted over a year ago when we saw people like Obama say 'it sounds like an Iraq problem'.

Now even over the past few years Syria has been absolutely screwed over by West and East powers along with getting beat up by ISIS (or ISIL however you want to call these idiots).

And now the response to these attacks is .. more bombing in Syria. Yes this will work indeed.

I just can't imagine less bombing being more effective.

[GostHacked]

I just can't imagine less bombing being more effective.

How effective has the bombing been over the past 5 years in Syria?

[WestCoastRunner]

I agree with the public apathy notion. But because it happens over and over again, that should get us more involved to help those we 'helped'. We collectively screwed up and we still blame them for the overall problem. Seems really stupid to me.

Of course it's stupid. And what are we doing about child trafficking and slave labour? Not a hell of a lot.

[Guest]

How effective has the bombing been over the past 5 years in Syria?

How can we know? How many planes destroyed/cities attacked would there have been with a different process?

That can be argued forever. Still have to decide what to do now.

[GostHacked]

Of course it's stupid. And what are we doing about child trafficking and slave labour? Not a hell of a lot.

The real question is WHY we are not doing anything. Each thing we declare war on, only gets more of that thing we declare war on.

Over 20 years of this war on terror and we have still more terror. Really effective.

[GostHacked]

How can we know? How many planes destroyed/cities attacked would there have been with a different process?

That can be argued forever. Still have to decide what to do now.

The desicion was to bomb the crap out of Syria and then develop a plan once Assad leaves. The utter failure in removing Assad from power has generated a lot of anger towards the west. We can't even start to help rebuild the country even if Assad is gone tomorrow.

But you know, this could be just simple retaliation from Syria because they have been bombed by everyone in the past 5 years. We directly supported terrorism on Syria by supporting 'rebels' and giving them a base of operation in Turkey. This may not have been the work of ISIS at all.

[Guest]

The desicion was to bomb the crap out of Syria and then develop a plan once Assad leaves. The utter failure in removing Assad from power has generated a lot of anger towards the west. We can't even start to help rebuild the country even if Assad is gone tomorrow.

But you know, this could be just simple retaliation from Syria because they have been bombed by everyone in the past 5 years. We directly supported terrorism on Syria by supporting 'rebels' and giving them a base of operation in Turkey. This may not have been the work of ISIS at all.

I grant you ISIS claimed responsibility for my toothache last week, but it seems a bit of a reach to imagine this was an official Syrian act. What point would there be to it without some claim of responsibility?

[GostHacked]

I grant you ISIS claimed responsibility for my toothache last week, but it seems a bit of a reach to imagine this was an official Syrian act. What point would there be to it without some claim of responsibility?

I simply don't believe this was an attack by ISIS, considering these were French and Belgium nationals (aka citizens) that carried out the attacks. This does not equal ISIS, like the attack on Parliament Hill in Ottawa does not equal Islam.

[Guest]

I simply don't believe this was an attack by ISIS, considering these were French and Belgium nationals (aka citizens) that carried out the attacks. This does not equal ISIS, like the attack on Parliament Hill in Ottawa does not equal Islam.

It's only Islam if the attacker says it is. As for ISIS, who knows. It seems to be them at the moment, but who knows what their structure really is?

[kimmy]

Russia has just conducted a bombing raid of historic proportions against ISIS.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html

-k