dialamah Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) There is difference between feeling entitled to your own earned money, vs that of somebody else. People of any income group who received tax breaks did so because I ALSO paid taxes with my money. Why do rich people feel entitled to MY money? If they are so good at taking care of themselves, they should expect NO tax breaks whatsoever. Yet look at what happens when they don't think they're getting their fair share ... Feeling like other people owe you based on the fact that they have more than you, is a psychologically malignant way to go through life. Feeling that your own good fortune entitles you to dismiss and denigrate those who earn less for any reason is a psychologically malignant way to go through life. Edited October 23, 2015 by dialamah Quote
overthere Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 so the vast swarm of low and middle income earners in Canada all gain, and soemhow this is paid for by the realtively tiny number of people earning big money, over $250k. It sounds like magic beans, or complete bullshit. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
hitops Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) People of any income group who received tax breaks did so because I ALSO paid taxes with my money. Why do rich people feel entitled to MY money? They don't, they feel entitled to their own. Ex: You put 3 loonies into a pile, and AG puts 10. You get 2 back, and he gets 4 back. The rest is used to buy stuff you both might need. Just because it is technically possible that one of your specific loonies, once mixed in the pile, wound up in his hand, that does not mean you are paying for his tax breaks. He already put 250% more into the pile than he got out. You put only 50% more. Your logic is liking saying that when you buy something at Walmart, they give you money. Because after all, they do physically put coins into your hand to make change. If they are so good at taking care of themselves, they should expect NO tax breaks whatsoever. Yet look at what happens when they don't think they're getting their fair share ... Well I guess nothing except more clamor for them to pay their 'fair share'. It does not matter how much they pay, it will never be enough. Feeling that your own good fortune entitles you to dismiss and denigrate those who earn less for any reason is a psychologically malignant way to go through life. Good thing nobody has done that. so the vast swarm of low and middle income earners in Canada all gain, and soemhow this is paid for by the realtively tiny number of people earning big money, over $250k. It sounds like magic beans, or complete bullshit. It doesn't need to make sense, or be economically sound. It just has channel hatred towards those evil people making $200,000 who stamped their evil club card while laughing diabolically. They deserve to pay more, isn't it obvious? They have, and I don't. They owe me. The logic is flawless. Edited October 23, 2015 by hitops Quote
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Low earning does not = deserving. What infantile thinking. There are plenty of low income people who will use it well, and plenty who will just blow it in ways destructive to self and others. You have absolutely no clue who 'deserves' what, as if that can even be defined. $1000 means more to someone who makes $30K than someone who makes $200K. Do you dispute that? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Your assuming your cost of living is the same as mine. ---SNIP--- Wanting a detached house with a two-car garage is NOT struggling. That's the reality of living in a metropolitan city. Edited October 23, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Nonsense. ---SNIP--- It's nice having a tax-accountant on the thread. That was awesome. Edited October 23, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
hitops Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) $1000 means more to someone who makes $30K than someone who makes $200K. Do you dispute that? It doesn't matter if it 'means more' to them. I'm sure your car means a lot to somebody somewhere than it does to you, that doesn't mean you should have to hand it over. Edited October 23, 2015 by hitops Quote
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 It doesn't matter if it 'means more' to them. I'm sure your car means a lot to somebody somewhere than it does to you, that doesn't mean you should have to hand it over. You were disputing why low-income people don't 'deserve' a tax break. If you had $20, it's difficult to give up $5 but if you have $500, it's not that difficult. That's the idea behind why low-income families deserve a tax-break more than high-income earners. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
hitops Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) You were disputing why low-income people don't 'deserve' a tax break. If you had $20, it's difficult to give up $5 but if you have $500, it's not that difficult. That's the idea behind why low-income families deserve a tax-break more than high-income earners. It's not that difficult for you to give somebody your phone. So the government should take it and give to somebody else right? You can't define 'deserve'. Societies that try chase after what everyone 'deserve' end up making everyone poorer, including the poor. See everyone thinks they deserve more of what the person up the food chain has. This applies to homeless people and millionaires. Edited October 23, 2015 by hitops Quote
dialamah Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Given all the discussion on these forums and elsewhere, I wanted to share this quote I found here: "I simply vow to celebrate your win the most appropriately I can, given your platform: By smoking marijuana while wearing a niqab and asking for more money from wealthy Canadians." It made me laugh, and I hope it does the same for others. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 It's not that difficult for you to give somebody your phone. So the government should take it and give to somebody else right? We were talking about progressive taxes. I have no idea what this is about. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 From my perspective, I've already paid more taxes based on my income to support society. And now the middle class want even more? That's like saying thanks to someone who gives you $100 and then asking for more. The entitlement bewilders me. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
poochy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 What I've read from the following the low incomer will get the help they need the most of some middle-incomers will also but it goes down hill from there for others, which make senses, helping the people who really need the help. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/how-the-liberal-tax-policies-will-affect-your-pocket-book/ar-BBmkl5v?ocid=spartandhp Newsflash, when it comes to my money other people may want help, but that doesn't mean they deserve it, whereas I both need and deserve the money I earn Just where do people like you get off deciding how much other people deserve of what I work for? Quote
socialist Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Lots of delicious money for middle class parents. A couple who makes a collective $150K a year with 2 kids under 6 and 1 over will receive a monthly cheque of $484 - TAX FREE. I have to hand it to Trudeau..he cares about the middle class. My family will greatly benefit from this. My household will receive about $684 TAX FREE. I had to pay back quite a bit of the Harper child cheques. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
poochy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Lots of delicious money for middle class parents. A couple who makes a collective $150K a year with 2 kids under 6 and 1 over will receive a monthly cheque of $484 - TAX FREE. I have to hand it to Trudeau..he cares about the middle class. My family will greatly benefit from this. My household will receive about $684 TAX FREE. I had to pay back quite a bit of the Harper child cheques. Your welcome, meanwhile i rased my kids getting almost nothing from the government and will now have to pay for yours in lost tax breaks, they are now too old to count towards the new liberal plan but of course are college age, which we all know is inexpensive, right... Quote
capricorn Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Newsflash, when it comes to my money other people may want help, but that doesn't mean they deserve it, whereas I both need and deserve the money I earn Just where do people like you get off deciding how much other people deserve of what I work for? Too late. Trudeau Jr. won the election in grand style and you have nothing to say in how much you have to fork over. It's trudeaupia revisited. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Too late. Trudeau Jr. won the election in grand style and you have nothing to say in how much you have to fork over. It's trudeaupia revisited. Then why bother with posting on this board. Nothing we do and say will change anything federally. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
capricorn Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Then why bother with posting on this board. Well, for one thing, I don't have a life. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Smallc Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Seriously, Trudeau won on certain promises. I don't like them all, but I expect him to keep them. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Seriously, Trudeau won on certain promises. I don't like them all, but I expect him to keep them. I am actually partly rooting for the LPC to actually follow through on their promises, even though I dislike them. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
capricorn Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I am actually partly rooting for the LPC to actually follow through on their promises, even though I dislike them. I am a realist, angrypenguin. I've been around long enough to attest that no political party has ever lived up to all the promises they made in an election campaign. And that's fine. Conditions change with time and the government has to adjust accordingly. I will see how this new government acts and reacts before passing judgment. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
socialist Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Your welcome, meanwhile i rased my kids getting almost nothing from the government and will now have to pay for yours in lost tax breaks, they are now too old to count towards the new liberal plan but of course are college age, which we all know is inexpensive, right... Actually, Trudeau will pay for it with the new 33% tax bracket for those making over 200K. He will also end income spliting which will help pay for the child cheques. He will also end the CPC's child benefits, so in reality, you won't really have to fork any more over. Also my tax bracket is going down from 22% to 20.5 %. Trudeau is looking after the middle class and I don't think it will cost the average Canadian anything. I will use those cheques to support the economy. Now let's look at a single parent on welfare. If that parent has 2 kids under 6, s/he will receive $1067/month. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
BC_chick Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 From my perspective, I've already paid more taxes based on my income to support society. And now the middle class want even more? That's like saying thanks to someone who gives you $100 and then asking for more. The entitlement bewilders me. MSJ broke it down to you why your claims are inaccurate (post #15 on this thread), but if you're interested, here is an article which explains this in more detail. It's a good read which dispels a lot of the misinformation that you've been made to believe. http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/cayo+impact+higher+income+rates+incomes+less+than/11463100/story.html Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 MSJ broke it down to you why your claims are inaccurate (post #15 on this thread), but if you're interested, here is an article which explains this in more detail. It's a good read which dispels a lot of the misinformation that you've been made to believe. http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/cayo+impact+higher+income+rates+incomes+less+than/11463100/story.html I quote from the article: "For everybody, including the top one per cent of Canadian earners, the tax rate will be the same on the first $200,000 of taxable income each year. Not incidentally, Trudeau has promised that this rate will go down." Then how much will it go down? Plus, this does not offset the loss from my TFSA nor payroll taxes for some (I just realized I would be exempt from the Ontario payroll tax, so if Trudeau's plan is the same, I'm fine there). Carbon taxes though, that'll still hurt. Plus, you're also missing, I think, the fact that I don't make over $200K, so that article really doesn't mean much to me. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I am a realist, angrypenguin. I've been around long enough to attest that no political party has ever lived up to all the promises they made in an election campaign. And that's fine. Conditions change with time and the government has to adjust accordingly. I will see how this new government acts and reacts before passing judgment. To all, yes. However, Harper did follow through on his GST/TFSA promise and continued to lowered taxes for most (income splitting, home renovation tax credit etc). He promised to lower people's taxes, and he did. Versus Chretien and his bullshit reversal on axing the GST. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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