Trudeau's Committment to Syrian Refugees - 25,000 by Year End

Smallc · December 4, 2015

It is a lot, but of course has absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

We're looking for a number far smaller.

capricorn · December 4, 2015

Why deal with it at all? If refugees don't want to come to Canada why bother?

The original Liberal plan called for "Syrian" refugees.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mccallum-syrian-refugees-1.3348933

When I say contingency, I mean the Liberals could have qualified their plan. That is, that should they come up short on Syrian refugees willing to resettle in Canada, the shortfall could be made up by including refugees from other countries, in order to reach their 25,000 target. Now they may be obligated to amend their "refugee plan". All these ifs, ands and maybes are adding up to a confusing plan.

G Huxley · December 4, 2015

The problem with arbitrary targets is that they lead to absurdity in trying to meet them. The way it works is the western miltarists destroy countries and then we are supposed to then absorb the refugees, which is costing to the environment and drives up the debt.

waldo · December 4, 2015

The original Liberal plan called for "Syrian" refugees.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mccallum-syrian-refugees-1.3348933

When I say contingency, I mean the Liberals could have qualified their plan. That is, that should they come up short on Syrian refugees willing to resettle in Canada, the shortfall could be made up by including refugees from other countries, in order to reach their 25,000 target. Now they may be obligated to amend their "refugee plan". All these ifs, ands and maybes are adding up to a confusing plan.

contingency? What for? The initial comment from that UN official is stating only 6% of Syrian refugees are choosing either the U.S. or Canada as their top choice for resettlement... top choice. There were also qualifiers that distinguished between private sponsorship and government designated... as in private sponsorship is typically a scenario where a family member is already in Canada/U.S.. But no worries... even accepting to that 6% rate (which was simply a preference designation), out of the pool that still leaves 240,000 willing to come to Canada/U.S..

capricorn · December 4, 2015

The problem with arbitrary targets is that they lead to absurdity in trying to meet them.

For sure. I for one would be interested in finding out how the 25,000 "Syrian" refugee figure came about.

capricorn · December 4, 2015

No worries Simple, out of a 4 million refugee pool, there will be no difficulty meeting the figure...

And here we have one who self appointed himself to speak for the "pool" of available refugees. :rolleyes:

G Huxley · December 4, 2015

For sure. I for one would be interested in finding out how the 25,000 "Syrian" refugee figure came about.

I'm guessing it came from Election Campaign Advisors.

waldo · December 4, 2015

And here we have one who self appointed himself to speak for the "pool" of available refugees.

I did? Accepting your assessment only suggests I'm late to the party... you already spoke for the "pool" in making your judgement on needed contingency and a revised plan.

capricorn · December 4, 2015

I did? Accepting your assessment only suggests I'm late to the party... you already spoke for the "pool" in making your judgement on needed contingency and a revised plan.

Speaking of party, you're wanted in the chat room.

Keepitsimple · December 5, 2015

what? Weren't they told Harper was punted? No worries Simple, out of a 4 million refugee pool, there will be no difficulty meeting the figure...

Actually, the Canadian government - which Harper happened to lead for the last 10 years - accepted 25,000 refugees every year from around the world - including over 20,000 from Iraq since ISIS became an issue. And there has been a thorough vetting process in place. That all seems to have gone asunder with the reckless refugee bidding war that played out in the election. Now we're facing the reality of reluctant refugees, a make-shift process, and artificial timelines. And what about all the other refugees from around the world? Will they just have to wait that much longer - until the Liberals have satisfied their reckless, broken promises?

waldo · December 5, 2015

Actually, the Canadian government - which Harper happened to lead for the last 10 years - accepted 25,000 refugees every year from around the world - including over 20,000 from Iraq since ISIS became an issue. And there has been a thorough vetting process in place. That all seems to have gone asunder with the reckless refugee bidding war that played out in the election. Now we're facing the reality of reluctant refugees, a make-shift process, and artificial timelines. And what about all the other refugees from around the world? Will they just have to wait that much longer - until the Liberals have satisfied their reckless, broken promises?

broken promises? Make a choice! Either be critical for not extending the timeline or for extending the timeline! Pick one... but only one! :lol: According to the RCMP and CSIS that 'vetting process' was well in hand and had not been compromised... has not been compromised - try again!

reluctant refugees? Again, that quote from the UN official pertains to both the U.S. and Canada... that neither was the first choice for relocation. Why not the U.S., hey? Why is your targeting so selective?

Keepitsimple · December 5, 2015

broken promises? Make a choice! Either be critical for not extending the timeline or for extending the timeline! Pick one... but only one! According to the RCMP and CSIS that 'vetting process' was well in hand and had not been compromised... has not been compromised - try again!

reluctant refugees? Again, that quote from the UN official pertains to both the U.S. and Canada... that neither was the first choice for relocation. Why not the U.S., hey? Why is your targeting so selective?

I don't have to pick either. The original promise was reckless - non-sensical....period! Now they are scrambling to deal with reality - and as McCallum has said, it might take up to a year - personally, I think it will take longer. That's not extending the deadline - it's trying to actually make some sort of plan out of the recklessness of the electioneering. And what about the other 2000 refugees that Canada takes in every month? They just wait around for another year or two?

waldo · December 5, 2015

I don't have to pick either. The original promise was reckless - non-sensical....period! Now they are scrambling to deal with reality - and as McCallum has said, it might take up to a year - personally, I think it will take longer. That's not extending the deadline - it's trying to actually make some sort of plan out of the recklessness of the electioneering. And what about the other 2000 refugees that Canada takes in every month? They just wait around for another year or two?

I haven't heard/read that "might take up to a year" anywhere... what I did read reinforced was an 'end-of-February' date - do you have a cite to support your statement? And yes, you clearly want to be critical of either scenario... asking you to pick one limits your critical aim, yes?

you keep nattering on about 'other refugees'... refugees from other countries being, being... what, disadvantaged because there's a current profiled emphasis on Syrian refugees. Get over it man... apparently there's some kind of war thingee going on over there - big time! Aren't you aware?

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eyeball · December 5, 2015

I don't have to pick either. The original promise was reckless - non-sensical....period! Now they are scrambling to deal with reality - and as McCallum has said, it might take up to a year - personally, I think it will take longer. That's not extending the deadline - it's trying to actually make some sort of plan out of the recklessness of the electioneering. And what about the other 2000 refugees that Canada takes in every month? They just wait around for another year or two?

The recklessness of electioneering introduces an aspect of chaotic fickleness into events that is only matched by the reverse, when events cause abrupt changes in the course of elections. Imagine if Paris had been attacked two weeks before our federal election.

overthere · December 5, 2015

We're looking for a number far smaller.

perhaps you should read the article, it explains the numbers quite clearly.

I reckon many Canadians would be surprised to learn that residents of ME refugee camps are not beating down the doors to get in.

overthere · December 5, 2015

Again, that quote from the UN official pertains to both the U.S. and Canada... that neither was the first choice for relocation. Why not the U.S., hey? Why is your targeting so selective?

waldo, do you find it harder to move the goalposts in the winter , when the ground is frozen?

Smallc · December 5, 2015

perhaps you should read the article, it explains the numbers quite clearly.

What is 6% of 4M? With a 90% acceptance rate thus far, we have a large pool of people to choose from if we're looking for somewhere between 25,00 and 35,000.

overthere · December 5, 2015

I'm guessing it came from Election Campaign Advisors.

I though it was pulled from deep within the colon of the Liberal Executive Committee, Once the (staged)picture of the dead child on the beach was published, and the oblique relationship to Canada was established- the auction was on.

overthere · December 5, 2015

What is 6% of 4M? With a 90% acceptance rate thus far, we have a large pool of people to choose from if we're looking for somewhere between 25,00 and 35,000.

It isn't 6% of 4 million.

Read

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Article

waldo · December 5, 2015

... Once the (staged)picture of the dead child on the beach was published

staged picture? Who staged the picture of that most unfortunate child's death? If you're going to base your analysis of the number of refugees on your declared staging event, asking you to clarify your comment is warranted - yes?

overthere · December 5, 2015

Yes, the body was moved and the picture of the policeman cradling him was recreated for the photos we all saw.

The child did actually die. The rest was intended for you, Waldo.

Smallc · December 5, 2015

It isn't 6% of 4 million.

Read

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Article

So your assumption is that a number somewhere around 0% of the remaining ~3.96M refugees want to come to Canada?

eyeball · December 5, 2015

Yes, the body was moved and the picture of the policeman cradling him was recreated for the photos we all saw.

The child did actually die. The rest was intended for you, Waldo.

You're suggesting it was staged, that Aylan Kurdi's body was placed on the beach for the purpose of engineering a galvanizing sentiment?

waldo · December 5, 2015

Yes, the body was moved and the picture of the policeman cradling him was recreated for the photos we all saw.

The child did actually die. The rest was intended for you, Waldo.

correct me if I'm wrong: your premise is that "someone/some group"... which you haven't bothered to qualify, staged the picture to influence "something"... which you haven't bothered to qualify. Your premise relies upon those missing qualifications of yours to imply they further quantified the number of refugees chosen by Canada; more specifically, as you explicitly state, chosen by the Liberal Party of Canada. Did I get that right?