Wilber Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 They certainly could be. Both murder for kicks, and murder out of anger can be premeditated, and thats the distinguishing factor. A lot things could be first degree but the burden of proof is so high that Crown will go for second degree to ensure some kind of conviction. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 No, they are not. Motive has nothing to do with obtaining a conviction.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 You can dream. I think the NDP's days as even a hypothetical frontrunner are done. We're back to Red vs. Blue. Demographic trends do not favour conservatives. Our schools, universities and to an extent our media are indoctrinating kids into SJWism ideology. The conservatives will eventually become irrelevant and the NDP will eventually form government. It's only a matter of time.
socialist Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Demographic trends do not favour conservatives. Our schools, universities and to an extent our media are indoctrinating kids into SJWism ideology. The conservatives will eventually become irrelevant and the NDP will eventually form government. It's only a matter of time. Lead Now and any of the other organizations that took money from foreign sources in order to defeat Harper will never be investigated because Elections Canada is run by Liberals bureaucrats. The main stream media will not shed light on the foreign funding because if paid for the campaign to get their enemy, Harper, out of office. Even the judiciary is mostly Liberal. When the whole system is left wing corruption what can we do? Edited October 23, 2015 by socialist Thankful to have become a free thinker.
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 You can dream. I think the NDP's days as even a hypothetical frontrunner are done. We're back to Red vs. Blue.Not necessarily. If people feel they were tricked into hope and optimism for the same old Grits then next election there could be an exodus to the NDP. But Trudeau would have to mess up big time.
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 our media are indoctrinating kids into SJWism ideology.You mean that Liberal media that went All In on Harper?
dre Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Demographic trends do not favour conservatives. Our schools, universities and to an extent our media are indoctrinating kids into SJWism ideology. The conservatives will eventually become irrelevant and the NDP will eventually form government. It's only a matter of time. The conservatives wont become irrelevant because they will change their platform and policies to appeal to enough voters to have a chance. Political ideologies are not static. I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Political ideologies are not static.You wouldn't know it from the posts here.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 You mean that Liberal media that went All In on Harper? 1. I said to an extent. The media bias is relatively week compared to bias in education. 2. I'm not sure what you are referring to. Could you please elaborate?
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 The conservatives wont become irrelevant because they will change their platform and policies to appeal to enough voters to have a chance. Political ideologies are not static. You say that yet there are many cases where conservative parties have become irrelevant. What happened to the conservative party in BC or Australia? They died out. How about Sweden? Conservatism is dead there.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Lead Now and any of the other organizations that took money from foreign sources in order to defeat Harper will never be investigated because Elections Canada is run by Liberals bureaucrats. The main stream media will not shed light on the foreign funding because if paid for the campaign to get their enemy, Harper, out of office. Even the judiciary is mostly Liberal. When the whole system is left wing corruption what can we do? Harper got himself out of office. And he also stacked the judiciary, or at least the one that counts, and then tried to neglect the constitution. But I guess those who wallowed in right wing corruption need to cry in their beer a while.
socialist Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 1. I said to an extent. The media bias is relatively week compared to bias in education. 2. I'm not sure what you are referring to. Could you please elaborate? Education is very biased. Social justice is what it's all about. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
dre Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 You say that yet there are many cases where conservative parties have become irrelevant. What happened to the conservative party in BC or Australia? They died out. How about Sweden? Conservatism is dead there. Parties come and go maybe but those countries still have conservative parties. The Swedish Democrats have an ideology of national conservatism, social conservatism, nationalism. They have almost 50 members of parliament. In BC the Liberal party runs on more or less a conservative ideology and the NDP has not won in over a decade. I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Parties come and go maybe but those countries still have conservative parties. The Swedish Democrats have an ideology of national conservatism, social conservatism, nationalism. They have almost 50 members of parliament. In BC the Liberal party runs on more or less a conservative ideology and the NDP has not won in over a decade. The Swedish democrats are closer to classic liberals than conservatives. Yet they are portrayed as evil nazis by the swedish media due to media bias.
poochy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) The conservatives wont become irrelevant because they will change their platform and policies to appeal to enough voters to have a chance. Political ideologies are not static. Its not possible to actually be conservative in this country and be elected, the most recent iteration did very little that was actually conservative and were treated as an evil fascist empire for doing so, organizations like the CBC will simply not allow it. If 80% of the country had wanted say the niqab banned, and the conservatives had done it, the CBC wouldn't have spent all of it's efforts not in reporting that fact, but in telling us why it was wrong. Which is in effect what it has been doing for years now, shaping the opinions of Canadians, molding them the liberal myth of what we are supposed to be, even their own advertising alludes to this. The CBC doesn't exist to tell people how to think, they are supposed to report what has happened, that's it, let the media I don't pay for have it's opinion columnists or 'analysis'. I pay for the CBC as much as anyone and it shouldn't be ok that one of it's goals is to make me or anyone else the enemy if i don't completely share in it's progressive view on everything, for exampl, i've seen articles about the registry, and the photo is of a man holding a rifle, pointed at you....o sure, that's all by accident, right. The most popular article on the CBC today by far is about poor hard done by, Margaret Trudeau, umm what? That's news? The fact that so many people comment on it should tell people plenty about the kind of people that are attracted to the CBC and why, it's not an accident that the majority of it's audience is rabidly left wing and anti conservative anything, it's the audience they have cultivated. Meanwhile the article about the anniversary of the Ottawa shooting has 1/3 of the comments and the most popular is about how we should just forget it, not a big deal really. It's audience directly reflects they way it presents the 'news', this is obvious, or should be, it's an uphill battle for anything approaching conservative in this country. Edited October 23, 2015 by poochy
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Its not possible to actually be conservative in this country and be elected, the most recent iteration did very little that was actually conservative and were treated as an evil fascist empire for doing so, organizations like the CBC will simply not allow it. If 80% of the country had wanted say the niqab banned, and the conservatives had done it, the CBC wouldn't have spent all of it's efforts not in reporting that fact, but in telling us why it was wrong. Which is in effect what it has been doing for years now, shaping the opinions of Canadians, molding them the liberal myth of what we are supposed to be, even their own advertising alludes to this. The CBC doesn't exist to tell people how to think, they are supposed to report what has happened, that's it, let the media I don't pay for have it's opinion columnists or 'analysis'. I pay for the CBC as much as anyone and it shouldn't be ok that one of it's goals is to make me or anyone else the enemy if i don't completely share in it's progressive view on everything, for exampl, i've seen articles about the registry, and the photo is of a man holding a rifle, pointed at you....o sure, that's all by accident, right. The most popular article on the CBC today by far is about poor hard done by, Margaret Trudeau, umm what? That's news? The fact that so many people comment on it should tell people plenty about the kind of people that are attracted to the CBC and why, it's not an accident that the majority of it's audience is rabidly left wing and anti conservative anything, it's the audience they have cultivated. Meanwhile the article about the anniversary of the Ottawa shooting has 1/3 of the comments and the most popular is about how we should just forget it, not a big deal really. It's audience directly reflects they way it presents the 'news', this is obvious, or should be, it's an uphill battle for anything approaching conservative in this country. OMG where to start? The last 3 CPC governments were elected by the CBC? Check. Harper tried to ban the niqab but it wasn't the CBC who stopped that. It was an outfit called the Supreme Court of Canada. The CBC does report what happened, and fro that you can make up your mind what to think. The nice thing about the CBC is that they do't have to kowtow to a board of directors worrying about advertising revenues. The CBC covered the ceremony in Ottawa today at length. Perhaps you ignored it so you could pretend it didn't happen and then make ridiculous statements that they suggest we forget about it. The conservatives have had their chances in this country. Apparently the country didn't like the latest version very much.
ReeferMadness Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Its not possible to actually be conservative in this country and be elected, the most recent iteration did very little that was actually conservative and were treated as an evil fascist empire for doing so, organizations like the CBC will simply not allow it. If 80% of the country had wanted say the niqab banned, and the conservatives had done it, the CBC wouldn't have spent all of it's efforts not in reporting that fact, but in telling us why it was wrong. Which is in effect what it has been doing for years now, shaping the opinions of Canadians, molding them the liberal myth of what we are supposed to be, even their own advertising alludes to this. The CBC doesn't exist to tell people how to think, they are supposed to report what has happened, that's it, let the media I don't pay for have it's opinion columnists or 'analysis'. I pay for the CBC as much as anyone and it shouldn't be ok that one of it's goals is to make me or anyone else the enemy if i don't completely share in it's progressive view on everything, for exampl, i've seen articles about the registry, and the photo is of a man holding a rifle, pointed at you....o sure, that's all by accident, right. The most popular article on the CBC today by far is about poor hard done by, Margaret Trudeau, umm what? That's news? The fact that so many people comment on it should tell people plenty about the kind of people that are attracted to the CBC and why, it's not an accident that the majority of it's audience is rabidly left wing and anti conservative anything, it's the audience they have cultivated. Meanwhile the article about the anniversary of the Ottawa shooting has 1/3 of the comments and the most popular is about how we should just forget it, not a big deal really. It's audience directly reflects they way it presents the 'news', this is obvious, or should be, it's an uphill battle for anything approaching conservative in this country. Harper's done. I'm glad he's done. He deserved to be done. Here's a quote from the comments section of the National Post: As a long time Conservative, I just couldn't stand Harper any longer. Dictatorial, micro-managing tyrant with the personality of a rock. I recommend that Conservatives do a better job of choosing their next leader. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I think the future might look something like this:
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 You wouldn't know it from the posts here. It's a false choice. You can't expect the fundamental values of an individual to change so much. But you can hope that their thinking and justification becomes more rational, more based in reality, and more open to input from opposing views as time goes on. I certainly see this happening from some on here, including you. I hope that we see that in Canada in 4 years. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Its not possible to actually be conservative in this country and be elected, the most recent iteration did very little that was actually conservative and were treated as an evil fascist empire for doing so, organizations like the CBC will simply not allow it. Harper's team was elected for a good many years in a liberal country, you're forgetting that. They lost the election, the media didn't lose it. Blaming the media will still be happening in 4 years, IMO. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I think the future might look something like this: Very arch.... so biting that I can't tell if they're making fun of the thing, or the fears of the thing. I don't think that people like this - or the Fox News mush-eaters that are the ideological mirror image to them - will be around in 4 years. We'll have more pragmatic discussions. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
socialist Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Very arch.... so biting that I can't tell if they're making fun of the thing, or the fears of the thing. I don't think that people like this - or the Fox News mush-eaters that are the ideological mirror image to them - will be around in 4 years. We'll have more pragmatic discussions. Imagine right now, as Global Oil prices (has NOTHING to do with Harper) have plunged, if we were running multi-year deficits? Our dollar would have tanked more, and our standard of living much much worse. It's a shame people don't understand that. Harper also doesn't get enough credit for helping to maintain Canada's AAA rating during the Great Recession, as it was never even under question. That allowed a functional, smooth setting for the private market to help recover. Canada is a 1.5 trick pony. Commodities and some manufacturing. We are not like the US that can print its way out of a recession. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Very arch.... so biting that I can't tell if they're making fun of the thing, or the fears of the thing. A combination. The best satire has elements of truth in it.
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Imagine right now, as Global Oil prices (has NOTHING to do with Harper) ... We are not like the US that can print its way out of a recession. Ok, so what of the next 4 years ? How about services ? That seems like something we could be good at and people never seem to comment on those. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
scribblet Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I think motive matters. You don't seem to think so. A guy kills his wife because he catches her cheating. I'd say that's a heinous crime. But a man who kills his daughter because she refuses to wear a Niqab. I think that's worse. I'm using the comparison of crimes motivated by race. Are those the same as other comparable crimes. Or are they worse because of the motive? I agree. Motive matters in Canada if it's a hate crime as per the Criminal Code, such a crime must have been committed with a bias motivation. It's the same thing, I don't see how a person can believe in hate crime legislation but not agree that there is a bias motivation in an honour killing. Actually, honour killing should come under the same legislation. Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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