TimG Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) I posted this elsewhere: their position seems to be "the Conservatives were so good on the economy that the other parties are basically adopting their economic policies.People should take this a serious critique of the Liberal economic platform (the G&M endorsed the Liberals all through the 90s). If the Liberal's had a credible economic platform they would have gotten the endorsement. Edited October 16, 2015 by TimG Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Maybe they're hoping for Harper to announce his resignation in advance of the election. Wouldn't that be bizarre if a leader could increase his party's support by promising to leave. Bizarre for sure, but it seems quite possible in Harper's case. Quote
Argus Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Maybe they're hoping for Harper to announce his resignation in advance of the election. Wouldn't that be bizarre if a leader could increase his party's support by promising to leave. Trudeau senior did exactly that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I wonder if there is any chance of snow in Ottawa before Monday. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Trudeau senior did exactly that. 3 days before an election? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I wonder if there is any chance of snow in Ottawa before Monday. It's too late now. What would Harper's resignation do at this point, other than to basically be an endorsement of Trudeau? Do you think if HArper appeared on TV and said "I'm out for the good of the party", that whole bunches of people would suddenly go "Thank goodness, I'll vote for the Tories now!" The exact opposite would happen. A rudderless Tories, just 72 hours from election day, would collapse. No, they have to stick with Harper until the bitter end. If they end up with a plurality, then they can start thinking about ways that they might be able to survive as a Government. But to do it right now would be political suicide for the whole party. Quote
Argus Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) I wonder if there is any chance of snow in Ottawa before Monday. No, his walk in the snow came about before he resigned. But his resignation was not effective until the party could hold a convention and elect someone else. In the interim, he saw a chance to push out Joe Clark, so the Liberals ran by keeping him as invisible as popular, he being so unpopular, and promised he wouldn't stick around much if they won. Edited October 16, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Hmm... does anyone actually care which newspaper endorses which party?I don't think anyone anywhere has ever been influenced by a newspaper endorsement. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 16, 2015 Author Report Posted October 16, 2015 Damn liberal left-wing media with all those Conservative endorsements.... ooops... Shouldn't the fact that most news organizations endorse a flailing and failing Conservative Party do away with this right-wing talking point about the "liberal media"? Can we all agree that the media in general is NOT "left-wing"? I know, this one kills me every time I see it. It's evident every single time there is an election that the MSM is anything but left-wing, yet people continue using it as a talking-point. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I know, this one kills me every time I see it. It's evident every single time there is an election that the MSM is anything but left-wing, yet people continue using it as a talking-point. I remember when the Liberals were grinding towards defeat in 2005-2006, and the smell of the death of the Martin government was in the air, I was constantly informed by Liberal supporters that the right-wing media was out to get them. As Enoch Powell famously said "Politicians who complain about the press are like sailors complaining about the sea." Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) It's too late now. ---SNIP--- Oh for sure, my comment was tongue in cheek. I think we pretty much know if the ballot box doesn't get him directly, the throne speech will. Edited October 16, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Oh for sure, my comment was tongue in cheek. I think we pretty much know if the ballot box doesn't get him directly, the throne speech will. We don't pretty much know that. Did you skip 2008? Or have you just mercifully repressed the memory? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
poochy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I know, this one kills me every time I see it. It's evident every single time there is an election that the MSM is anything but left-wing, yet people continue using it as a talking-point. The msm in this country is dominated by the cbc, they make things news, they are completely in the tank for the liberals, always are. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 The msm in this country is dominated by the cbc, they make things news, they are completely in the tank for the liberals, always are. The CBC hardly dominates the news, and even the CBC has been headlining the Gagnier scandal for a couple of days. Tories need to stop this constant search for scapegoats for their problems. The Tories' troubles are entirely of their own making. They've had nine years in power now, nearly half as a majority. If the electorate is angry with them, blaming the press is just simply a childish way of avoiding looking at what's going wrong for them. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 This is the most ridiculous endorsement ever. I agree it's ridiculous. First of all, they're endorsing something which doesn't exist (a Harper-less CPC). He controls so much of the party and shapes so much of its policy, good or bad, that it's ridiculous to support hypotheticals from fantasy-land. Second, Harper has the endorsement and confidence of the CPC party itself (or he wouldn't be its leader), and this speaks volumes of the competency, ideology, and ethics of the party that supports him. Maybe the Globe is predicting a Liberal minority and is making an early case for putting pressure on the CPC to dump Harper. Who knows. Hmm... does anyone actually care which newspaper endorses which party? I mean, is anyone's own vote going to be affected by who a newspaper "endorses"? Exactly. Who really gives a crap what a handful of editorial writers in a newsroom think. Certainly no free-thinking person. I rarely read news editorials any more anyways, because they're usually crap. If i'm going to bother reading a page of someone's opinion, I'd rather it be someone with some kind of experience or expertise in the given field. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Bryan Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I find this interesting because I don't think Harper is big enough to accept that he's being harmful to his party. If it were even remotely true, he'd have already left. Harper is the CPC's biggest strength. Appointed Prime Ministers don't generally do well at the ballot box. Ask Kim Campbell what it's like to replace a long running Prime Minister. Also, ask her what it's like to lead a right wing party in Canada when you don't have control of the Quebec vote. Ask Joe Clark, Preston Manning, Stockwell Day, Jean Charest, and Peter Mckay too. Stephen Harper can still do one thing none of them could -- virtually guarantee at least 30% of the vote, with any campaign being solely about how much more than that they can get. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 16, 2015 Author Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Eta- this was in response to MG, not Bryan. You guys underestimate the Joe Blow's voting habits because you project your own political inclinations on others. My friend's husband always asks her who to vote for. Why even bother? These people want to feel useful on Election Day but want someone else tell them want to do because they know nothing on the subject matter. And I mean NOTHING. Edited October 16, 2015 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Bryan Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Who really gives a crap what a handful of editorial writers in a newsroom think. Certainly no free-thinking person. I rarely read news editorials any more anyways, because they're usually crap. If i'm going to bother reading a page of someone's opinion, I'd rather it be someone with some kind of experience or expertise in the given field. People on this board are not exactly a representative sample. You'd be surprised how many people have literally no idea what side a party or leader is on a given issue. It would be interesting to do a study on the correlation between media endorsements and who wins a given election. I suspect it's much stronger than we would think. Granted, even if that were true, much of that could be attributed to editors going where the wind blows in an attempt to look smart after the fact. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 16, 2015 Author Report Posted October 16, 2015 Bryan, many CPC supporters are disillusioned with Harper and wish he had left the party a year ago. I agree that right before election isn't the time to go but my post was in context of the G&M editorial. I followed that sentence up by saying that the endorsement is therefore meaningless when Harper is not stepping down. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
dialamah Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Star Phoenix has endorsed CPC and Harper on their economic stuff, but tell them they need to work on other stuff, like not muzzling scientists and not indulging in race baiting. Etc. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Bryan, many CPC supporters are disillusioned with Harper and wish he had left the party a year ago. Very few. There has been no movement whatsoever at any of the conventions nor at the EDA level for a change. Quote
blueblood Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Very few. There has been no movement whatsoever at any of the conventions nor at the EDA level for a change. As of yet... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
BC_chick Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Posted October 17, 2015 Hmmm, I was basing my assertion on the newspaper endorsements and every CPC voter I've known IRL and several of the posters here who all say he's not great but he's the option if the bunch, but perhaps you're right. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 As of yet... Everything changes eventually. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Very few Bull. Very few that will say it openly, maybe. I may still have been voting CPC if Harper had left. It was hard to support many of his decisions over the last couple of years. Quote
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