cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Posted September 10, 2015 That's fine, Bonam. Keep playing that game where you infinitely regress in order to make it seem like policies of the last 40 years are meaningless. When you're ready to address the actual connections to the current problems get back to me. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 The only way this ends at all well is, believe or not, If Putin decides to end it. He's the only world leader with the power to do so. If he, as some suggest he might, sends in Russian troops and aircraft that could end the Syrian conflict, cut the legs out from under ISIS and make their operations in Iraq unsustainable. The Western powers don't have the balls to send troops in, and the Arabs don't have the will or reliable troops. The Turks could do it, but they're more Pro ISIS than they like to let on. Putin could end this in a couple of months, then do a quick changeout of someone else for Asad. Except Puti is quite clear he supports Assad. Perhaps you missed that. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) O love Putin. He puts his own people first. He's a real leader who actually cares about his citizens. Edited September 10, 2015 by Canada_First Quote
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Posted September 11, 2015 Here's what people are fleeing. Syria before and after. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Posted September 11, 2015 But these people have cellphones. How can they be refugees? smh. Quote
drummindiver Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Here's what people are fleeing. Syria before and after. lol So,uh, that's our fault., huh? Nice try champ. Assad bombed the hell out of his own people...killed 330,000 of them to date. ISIS has joined in the fun. Hoover must love the ME, as all we hear about there are vaccuums. You know, these are adults. You can't blame other ppl for their behaviour. When will you lefties ever learn that? Quote
drummindiver Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 So you're just going to ignore the last half a century of CIA, MI6 (now SIS), and western military manipulation and intervention in sovereign Middle Eastern states? You're going to pretend that the West didn't arm radicals to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan? That the West didn't pick sides in Iran, sparking off a revolution? That killing Saddam Hussein didn't create a political vacuum allowing extremists to gain power and influence? Pretending the West has absolutely no responsibility in the radicalization of the Middle East is laughably naive. What a crock of shit. They've been fighting since day one, over Jerusalem. Now they are fighting over Israel/Palestine and settlements, and the entire Arab world wanting to destroy Israel. Don't even try denying it, because Arab leaders make this very clear. At least they are honest that way. States picked sides of the revolution. Revolution was happening with or without them baby. And again, blaming others for their bad behaviour is ridiculous. Quote
drummindiver Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 The West's policies had a direct impact on the creation of al Qaeda. They directly impacted Iran and their revolution, which lead to the regressive theocratic regime in place now. They directly led to the Taliban's hold on Afghanistan. They directly created the political vacuum in Iraq that allows ISIL to operate now. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So yeah. Go ahead and pretend that ohhh it's all just a big mish mash of history and the west really has nothing to do with anything. Again, a crock of shit. Americans propped up the Shah. The theocratic, barbaric regime in control now is what the Americans were opposed to. The Americans' fault the Taliban are the crazy mofos they are? You guys are too much. Al Quada, ISIL, dirty tampons, all the fault of America. Not the crazy bastards doing it, but America. Quote
eyeball Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 In any case, while history is important to understand, constantly trying to assign blame and fault to "the West" for everything is an obsession of the far left, Bullshit. Claiming that the left is blaming the west for EVERYTHING is what's obsessive and its just plain wrong. Russia and China bear a good deal of responsibility too...the difference is that the West knew or should have known better than to behave no better than our enemies. Omigod...a lefty criticizing Russia and China? No....No...The horror. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Bullshit. Claiming that the left is blaming the west for EVERYTHING is what's obsessive and its just plain wrong. It doesn't matter anyway...as the guilt ridden "left" bombed the hell out of 'em too. The "left" is very much part of the "West". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 The better part by far. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Charles Anthony Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Guys, Stop the rude language. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
waldo Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 never too late CBC... finally catching up to the waldo's crack research team: Canada's refugee acceptance falls far short of Stephen Harper's claims --- Canada in 41st, not 1st place, as 'per capita refugee receiver in the world' Quote
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Posted September 11, 2015 There's a 1st in 41st, you lying POS! Quote
waldo Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 There's a 1st in 41st, you lying POS! well... ok... it could be a print typo! But I'm sure there's video of Harper saying it, many times over! Oh wait... you know... Harper could just have been serving up the info he was supplied with... and there were typos in that! GD liberal media! Quote
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Posted September 11, 2015 Before you go judging, I think it's best that we get all of the FACTS! It could just be an honest miscalculation or more likely the liberal media is lying and spinning the information to suit their Trudeau-supporting agenda! Quote
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 So you're just going to ignore the last half a century of CIA, MI6 (now SIS), and western military manipulation and intervention in sovereign Middle Eastern states? It's a big world out there. If you can't handle the normal interplay between states then maybe you have no business ruling yourself and should be someone else's colony, eh? The big powers and their agencies have messed around in every country and every continent around the world, always have, always will. That doesn't give the ME a pass on their own vicious, brutal, corrupt behaviour. And btw, most of the current mess there can be better laid at the feet of local nations like the Saudis and Iranians than any outside the region. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 The West's policies had a direct impact on the creation of al Qaeda. They directly impacted Iran and their revolution, Oh, only the West? The fact the Russians and Chinese have been propping up the Syrian government with arms and advisers isn't important? You don't think maybe the Syrian war would have ended a while ago were it not for the Russians, the Chinese and yes, the Iranians? Why is everything to be laid at the doorstep of 'the west'? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Except Puti is quite clear he supports Assad. Perhaps you missed that. No, he supports the regime, not necessarily the man in charge. It makes no difference to the Russians who's heading it. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Here's what people are fleeing. Syria before and after. But don't blame Russia or China or Iran for that. Must be the fault of the evil oil barons in Calgary... Edited September 11, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Bullshit. Claiming that the left is blaming the west for EVERYTHING is what's obsessive and its just plain wrong. Russia and China bear a good deal of responsibility too...the difference is that the West knew or should have known better than to behave no better than our enemies. If we'd behaved no better than our enemies we'd be supporting the Syrians, as they do, or Sudan, as they do, or Iran, as they do. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) never too late CBC... finally catching up to the waldo's crack research team: Canada's refugee acceptance falls far short of Stephen Harper's claims --- Canada in 41st, not 1st place, as 'per capita refugee receiver in the world' What he said is Canada is the largest 'resettler' of refugees. Lebanon does not resettle refugees. That's why there are Palestinian 'refugee's' in Lebanon who were born there, whose parents were born there, whose GRANDPARENTS were born there, but they're not considered Lebanese. Jordan, which the CBC claims is number 2, is the same way. Nauru, which it says is number three, is where the Australians put detention centres for illegals. This is how organizations like the CBC lie, by omission, by inference, or by parsing their words. But that does not make their story any less a lie. Edited September 11, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
waldo Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 damn! Member Scotty's running the table! Quote
waldo Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 What he said is Canada is the largest 'resettler' of refugees. This is how organizations like the CBC lie, by omission, by inference, or by parsing their words. But that does not make their story any less a lie. ya, ya... Harper said a lot of variations... one of my faves is where Harper purposely conflated immigrants and refugees... you know, where when asked a question about refugees, Harper said, "Canada is the largest per capita receiver of new immigrants in the entire world"! And that's why they isolate Harper from the press... cause he can't think on his feet! Quote
Scotty Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) ya, ya... Harper said a lot of variations... Ya, well when you're confronted by the cameras and questions all day every day you wind up stating variations of the same message, which means you might misstate things a little. Clearly front line states are always going to be the largest receivers of refugees. But almost none of them actually resettle them or do more than allow the UN to set up well-guarded camps to keep them there near the border. How do you feel about Canada setting up a large refugee camp somewhere on the east coast and keep refugees there for the next five to ten years, or until it's safe for them to go home? Edited September 11, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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