The Invasion of Europe - Germany to take in 800,000 migrants

[SpankyMcFarland]

I think only Israel has the stomach to actually stop isis. The left in this country is happy to let them take over the ME and Europe.

Has Israel shown any interest at all in doing that? Assad and Iran are their focus. The US and Israel are backing different sides here. As in Ukraine, Israel has a different agenda from ours. Its relationship with Russia is complex to say the least.

Edited September 16, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland

[dre]

That much is obvious. Western leaders are running around aimlessly like chickens with their heads cut off when it comes to their reactions to the crisis in the middle-east. The best policy would be to simply stay out of that place completely.

Yup, its ridiculous really that we would get involved in that mess, and ISIL is already boxed in by much bigger and tougher fish, and wont gain any more ground except in predominantly Sunni communities, who for the most part would rather have ISIL in charge than Assad or the so-called "Iraqi Government".

[Rue]

Bonam what you propose is isolationism. The problem is hiding from the problem won't make it go away. It comes looking for you even when you hide. Ask Europe. They have been hiding from terrorism in the ME for years trying to placate Muslim terror regimes and where has it got them?

But hey you dig that hole and stick you head in it. That will make the boogy man go away.

[kactus]

Launch a nuke or several nukes on the area. That will kill ISIS. Problem solved.

Nuke Iran. Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Just carpet nuke the whole place. Start over.

And you wonder why some people do not have the capacity for arguments. Your generalisations and killings of innocent people stinks....

[kactus]

Launch a nuke or several nukes on the area. That will kill ISIS. Problem solved.

Nuke Iran. Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Just carpet nuke the whole place. Start over.

And you wonder why some people do not have the capacity for arguments. Your generalisations and killings of innocent people stinks....

I agree. Might as well include Palestine, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar ect ect .. or do you prefer one Islamic extremist over another?

Shall we include Israel in that list of countries carpet bombed or is the lives of the "chosen ones" so sacred?

Obviously to Rue and the silent majority the deranged idea is appealing but the moment you talk something about jews oh boy you become anti-semite.

The irony is they include Israel in the list of civilised countries as if it can be compared to Canada or US....

Only in your delusional dreams. You can portray a rosy paint out of this little country called Israel but you can't cover the stinking policies embeded deeply there.

[Topaz]

Bad news for the German government....ISIS has invaded the country along with the migrants and the rest of the countyry must be more alert on this. http://www.canadiantimes.ca/ct2/index.php/columnists/persecuted/1860-and-so-it-begins-isis-flag-among-refugees-in-germany-fighting-the-police

[dre]

Bonam what you propose is isolationism. The problem is hiding from the problem won't make it go away. It comes looking for you even when you hide. Ask Europe. They have been hiding from terrorism in the ME for years trying to placate Muslim terror regimes and where has it got them?

But hey you dig that hole and stick you head in it. That will make the boogy man go away.

The problem is western military intervention makes the terrorism problem much much much worse. Since the GWOT was launched the ammount of terrorism has dramatically increased. And not only that but we have collectively spent about 5 TRILLION dollars making it worse.

And no... isolationism is the refusal to engage another nation with trade, communication, etc. Abstaining from wasting zillions of dollars, and thousands of our own lives picking sides in every civil war that pops up around the world in not isolationism at all... its common sense, based on the sober realization that our actions over there have made things much worse, and that the GWOT has been the best thing that ever happened to terrorist groups.

As far as ISIL in Iraq and Turkey is concerned. They are the direct result of this kind of stupidity... and the people that live in the areas that ISIL controls dont have any interest in being ruled by either Assad or the Iranian-backed Shia government of Iraq.

Theres simply nothing for us to do over there... the efficacy and strengh of ISIL is GROSSLY exagerated by hawk pining for another war and prolonged occupation. The reality is they are surrounded by forces that could crush them at will, and the only reason they have been able to take territory is because the areas where they have had success are mostly full of Sunnis, who for whatever reason have a tendency to embrace rigid religious fundamentalism, or at least prefer it to being ruled by a rival sect.

Even if we killed every single member of ISIL and returned control of ISIL controlled territory to the Iraqi and Syrian governments nothing at all would be fixed. You would still have over 20 million disenfranchised Sunnis forced to live under the rule of Iranian sponsored shia and allawite regimes in Iraq and Syria, and theres zero chance they are going to accept it.

But hey you dig that hole and stick you head in it. That will make the boogy man go away.

Youre the one with his head in the sand. Youre calling for "targeted commando raids with helicopters". ROFLMAO. We are talking about a bunch of ragtag terrorists in camps in the desert. This isnt a bad hollywood movie. ISIL is the acting government and civil administration of a fledgling state with millions of people in it.

Edited September 17, 2015 by dre

[dre]

Fighting ISIL is a stupid thing to do anyways. We should have learned from earlier on in the GWOT with Alqeada. These groups were two bit regional players. But as soon as the west declares war on them, suddenly they have volunteers flocking there from all over the world, loosely affiliated franchises springing up in dozens of countries, and potentially thousands of lone wolves in all these western countries that could really cause us some real problems.

Tough to fix STUPID I guess. Failure after failure after failure and we just keep trying to same thing.

[cybercoma]

Good, then let Israel deal with it so we need to stop wasting our resources giving aide to Israel. But I know that won't sit well with you as I posed a similar question to JBG. I live in Canada, so I put Canada first. But some here are putting Israel before Canada which seems to counter their stance.

Canadians want and deserve cheap SodaStreams.

[PIK]

Fighting with one hand tied behind our backs ,only causes more civilians deaths. Go in and end it once and for all and yes there will be causalities but not as many and trying to fix it over a 10 yr period.

[GostHacked]

Bonam what you propose is isolationism. The problem is hiding from the problem won't make it go away. It comes looking for you even when you hide. Ask Europe. They have been hiding from terrorism in the ME for years trying to placate Muslim terror regimes and where has it got them?

But hey you dig that hole and stick you head in it. That will make the boogy man go away.

European nations have not been isolationist in their stances with the M.E. and North Africa.

[Rue]

They most certainly have. Lol but hey why let facts get in the way of the last 30 years.

[Argus]

The problem is western military intervention makes the terrorism problem much much much worse.

How do you know it makes the terrorism much worse? How do you know what level terrorism would be like now if there weren't any intervention?

[Argus]

Fighting ISIL is a stupid thing to do anyways. We should have learned from earlier on in the GWOT with Alqeada. These groups were two bit regional players. But as soon as the west declares war on them, suddenly they have volunteers flocking there from all over the world,

So when groups kill your citizens, as Al Qaqea did to Americans in various attacks, including in Kenya and Yemen, the US should just shrug and ignore it? Even when they kill thousands of Americans by blowing up the world trade centers the US should do what, turn the other cheek?

Tough to fix STUPID I guess. Failure after failure after failure and we just keep trying to same thing.

Yes, the Americans are so stupid. How many large, succesful terrorist attacks on the US have there been in the last fourteen years?

[eyeball]

How do you know it makes the terrorism much worse? How do you know what level terrorism would be like now if there weren't any intervention?

That's a funny question coming from someone who seems to know the commies would be sitting pretty today if we'd left them to manage the ME region. In which case, there'd probably be even more terrorism but it would be directed at someone else.

Meantime we'd probably be looking forward to phasing out fossil fuels and constructing cities on the moon.

[dre]

So when groups kill your citizens, as Al Qaqea did to Americans in various attacks, including in Kenya and Yemen, the US should just shrug and ignore it? Even when they kill thousands of Americans by blowing up the world trade centers the US should do what, turn the other cheek?

The thing is... those attacks were in part the result of intervention in the first place. Alqeada didnt just randomly pick the US as a target. Every misguided attempt to fix things results in an even bigger problem to fix later. We "fixed" Iraq a 13 years ago, and now we have a full-on civil war and breeding ground for terrorism, and our policies inadvertantly resulted in ISIL.

We have no real coherent plan or strategy. We just keep playing wack-a-mole, and each time we take someone out over there a power-vacuum results and an opportunity is created for extremists to move in. Our efforts against ISIL are a perfect of example. Wack another mole! Never mind the fact that ISIL is just a symptom of the fact large groups of Sunni and Shia wont co-exist in a single state peaceful unless that state behaves like Saddams Iraq did. Never mind the fact that theres almost as many Sunnis in Iraq and Syria as there is Canadians in Canada, and theres ZERO chance of them accepting rule by either Assad or the Iraqi central government. Both of whom are Shia-Iranian proxies.

Terrorism was actually in DECLINE before the war on terror, and the GWOT reversed that trend and made the problem much worse... at the cost of thousands of our own lives, and trillions of dollars.

[GostHacked]

They most certainly have. Lol but hey why let facts get in the way of the last 30 years.

So France and Italy did not start the war against Libya? Which they soon backed out of and let the Brits, US take over the war effort?

[Argus]

The thing is... those attacks were in part the result of intervention in the first place.

The original intervention of which you speak was in support of an absolutely fundamental value of the UN that one state cannot simply invade and take over the territory of another state. Are you suggesting we repudiate that?

Alqeada didnt just randomly pick the US as a target.

The US has been a target of terrorism for decades because it supports Israel.

Terrorism was actually in DECLINE before the war on terror, and the GWOT reversed that trend and made the problem much worse...

The rise of international terrorism is also a direct result of the numbers of failed states and the rise of the internet as a recuirtment and propaganda medium.

[Canada_First]

Has Israel shown any interest at all in doing that? Assad and Iran are their focus. The US and Israel are backing different sides here. As in Ukraine, Israel has a different agenda from ours. Its relationship with Russia is complex to say the least.

Yes it has. Read Israeli newspapers.

[Canada_First]

And you wonder why some people do not have the capacity for arguments. Your generalisations and killings of innocent people stinks....

It was over the top yes. ISIL is ruthless. Until the west is comitted to being just as ruthless they'll never win. We need to start behaving like they do. It's what they understand.

[kactus]

It was over the top yes. ISIL is ruthless. Until the west is comitted to being just as ruthless they'll never win. We need to start behaving like they do. It's what they understand.

What has carpet bombing the rest of the Middle East and killing innocent people got to do with ISIL?

That's exactly the kind of hatred and wrong policies people like yourself been advocating. And to serve what purpose?

[Rue]

Kactus you have no clue what carpet bombing is. If you did you would understand that what is going on now with air strikes is anything but carpet bombing. If it was, Syria would have no infrastructure or roads.

Go just once and read something other than your extremist sites. Go find out for example how the US Air Force bombed Vietnam or how the allies levelled Dresden. That is carpet bombing. Try at least once to find out the difference between a bomb and a missile let alone where the missile strikes are going.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Rue

[kactus]

Rue, next time you get the knee jerk to respond I suggest you read previous post by canada_first before you stick your big nose in...so zip it hypocrite...

He stated to carpet nuke the whole region.

Edited September 19, 2015 by kactus

[Rue]

I am responding to you and your buddies-directly-you aint seen carpet bombing-what you see is a political feel good exercise by Obama trying to save face for his failed policies.

[GostHacked]

I am responding to you and your buddies-directly-you aint seen carpet bombing-what you see is a political feel good exercise by Obama trying to save face for his failed policies.

I thought you were against extremist views of all kinds. But yet won't call out Canada_First. Gotcha