Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The issue is that Trudeau didn't promise anything about limiting raising taxes tho. I think a blue liberal would move to the CPC over money issues, and an NDP voter may move to the Liberals to block the CPC. Clearer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I think a blue liberal would move to the CPC over money issues, and an NDP voter may move to the Liberals to block the CPC. Clearer? I somehow believe that the NDP voter who wants to change their mind would go to CPC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 As a parent, Don't you think my kids Are higher priority then, science, social-services, the environment and our role in a global community? Without kids Canada will not even exist in 40 years. Sure it would cause immigrants and refugees. Without environment however, the land mass of Canada might exist, more or less, but not kids. Or immigrants. Or an economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I doubt that any "true" conservatives were buying into the NDP balanced budget bs. The money has to come from somewhere and that can only mean higher taxes. Did Tom promise not to raise those? No. They have in fact pledged to raise taxes in a few areas and to close loopholes in others, effectively raising taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I somehow believe that the NDP voter who wants to change their mind would go to CPC... There are plenty of ridings, generally west of London ON, where the contests are generally between the NDP and CPC. The recent AB election certainly shows that people can move from a conservative party to the NDP. See also: the early 90s, when some NDP seats went Reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 ... effectively raising taxes. Exactly. I don't know a conservative person who would back that in any form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 There are plenty of ridings, generally west of London ON, where the contests are generally between the NDP and CPC. The recent AB election certainly shows that people can move from a conservative party to the NDP. See also: the early 90s, when some NDP seats went Reform. The Alberta election was about kicking the PCs out, not about the province "changing focus" to a more socialist mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 You're very wrong here. After dissolution, a government becomes a caretaker government. Period. That's the way our constitution works.That being said, you are right that the urgency over TPP would allow it to fit into that area of responsibility where even a caretaker government would have to act.There's a debate to be had around that. It's not a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Alberta election was about kicking the PCs out, not about the province "changing focus" to a more socialist mindset. OK, but there's no reason that couldn't happen federally as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Perhaps, but there was no liberal option in Alberta. Not a real one anyway. Federally there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Exactly. I don't know a conservative person who would back that in any form. I think that some of their ideas were very good. The numerous credits and income splitting arrangements have made the tax code overly complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The NDP was uniquely vulnerable in Quebec on this issue and the NDP brain-trust missed it - or gambled it's overwhelming lead in the province could absorb a 'principled hit'.Just shows that Mulcair puts integrity over silly political games. I'm sure they didn't miss it. Mulcair chose to stand on principle instead of stoking anti-Muslim bigotry for a cheap political victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I think that some of their ideas were very good. The numerous credits and income splitting arrangements have made the tax code overly complicated. And how many "regular Canadians" can even interpret the tax codes by themselves, and how many just go to H&R Block? People like simple math....like "we won't raise your taxes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 No, it was the wrong thing to do. His stance has prevented the first truly progressive gov't in Canada. His government would not have been progressive if he supported bigotry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Exactly. I don't know a conservative person who would back that in any form. And how many "regular Canadians" can even interpret the tax codes by themselves, and how many just go to H&R Block? People like simple math....like "we won't raise your taxes". But I mean, Smallc is a moderately conservative person and he just told you he backed some NDP ideas on taxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 And how many "regular Canadians" can even interpret the tax codes by themselves, and how many just go to H&R Block? That's the problem though - it shouldn't be so complicated. Besides, Trudeau's plan will leave me personally far richer than Harper's has so far. I've received very little in the way of tax relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Mulcair's only option was to lose the election on principle. There are not enough voters in Canada to support the NDP in spite of financial gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 But I mean, Smallc is a moderately conservative person and he just told you he backed some NDP ideas on taxation. But he's a smart guy. And a political hack like the rest of us. Definitely not the majority of citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) But I mean, Smallc is a moderately conservative person and he just told you he backed some NDP ideas on taxation. I'm probably atypical (I share this with possibly only Argus of conservatives on this board - not necessarily for the same priorities) in that I don't think that all taxes are bad, and that I would in fact support raising them for things like military spending, foreign aid, or a universal drug plan. Edited October 8, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 As a parent, Don't you think my kids Are higher priority then, science, social-services, the environment and our role in a global community? Without kids Canada will not even exist in 40 years. Your kids will not exist if you have to pay taxes on your 'bribe' as you called it? That was, after all the reason you said you're voting conservative: Well I'll shift my vote from liberal to conservative, like many young families with one parent at home will do. harpers bought my vote . Disney world here I come!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Mulcair's only option was to lose the election on principle. There are not enough voters in Canada to support the NDP in spite of financial gain. There certainly was two or three weeks ago. In fact, I'd wager if this has been a traditional one month election, we might very well be staring an NDP minority in the face. But the longer election has seen them peak early, get dragged down by the impossibility of pleasing Quebec and their constituency outside that province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Exactly. I don't know a conservative person who would back that in any form. I'm fiscally conservative, and I think there are a number of justifications for raising taxes. Obviously there are catastrophes like natural disasters and war, but also if there were some other program that I could see the general worth of, then sure, I'd forego some more of my income. Taxes are not inherently bad, any more than government is inherently bad. They are a reality, and there will be times, regardless of what any of us may desire, when they will have to go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I doubt that any "true" conservatives were buying into the NDP balanced budget bs. The money has to come from somewhere and that can only mean higher taxes. Did Tom promise not to raise those? it seems no one in another concurrently running thread can provide a link reference to a fully costed Harper Conservative 2015 election platform, inclusive of campaign promises... given your 'budget BS' assertion, I trust you must have that costing for the CPC and can present it - thanks in advance. . And Kwebek voters are a fickle bunch. "Kwebek"... ah yes, you're that guy who in the past has repeatedly referred to Quebec in this manner. Always wondered why and how you derived it. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 That's the problem though - it shouldn't be so complicated. Besides, Trudeau's plan will leave me personally far richer than Harper's has so far. I've received very little in the way of tax relief. Explain please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Your kids will not exist if you have to pay taxes on your 'bribe' as you called it? That was, after all the reason you said you're voting conservative:It's like talking to someone with a IQ of 90. If that's what you understood from our conversation, I'm really sorry I can't be waisting my time with you. Edited October 8, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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