Ontario Liberals and the Federal election

[jacee]

Because of the Alberta international test results?

There's a bit of irony there:

International tests can only validly assess what is common in the curriculum across all participating countries. That will be the curriculum elements that have been around long enough to find their way into curriculum in all those countries- ie, the 'old', more traditional curriculum elements.

Modern and innovative curriculum may well be better for creating 'lifelong learners' who can adapt to new knowledge and apply it across situations ... but those methods won't be assessed on today's international tests because they aren't used by all participating countries.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

It may interest you to know that the countries that do extremely well on those international tests are very interested in modern educational methods in Canada.

They recognize that adaptability and transferability are important 21st century skills, and Canada is an innovator in that regard.

To limit our students to the traditional skills assessed on international tests is absolute nonsense!!

Having said that, though, I also believe that once a kid understands the concept of eg multiplication, memorized facts are useful. They shouldn't have to 'discover' 2x3 every time they need to use it.

Unfortunately, sometimes these things are not well communicated to teachers who are told what not to do anymore, but not what to do.

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Edited August 10, 2015 by jacee

[socialist]

Because of the Alberta international test results?

There's a bit of irony there:

International tests can only validly assess what is common in the curriculum across all participating countries. That will be the curriculum elements that have been around long enough to find their way into curriculum in all those countries- ie, the 'old', more traditional curriculum elements.

Modern and innovative curriculum may well be better for creating 'lifelong learners' who can adapt to new knowledge and apply it across situations ... but those methods won't be assessed on today's international tests because they aren't used by all participating countries.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

It may interest you to know that the countries that do extremely well on those international tests are very interested in modern educational methods in Canada.

They recognize that adaptability and transferability are important 21st century skills, and Canada is an innovator in that regard.

To limit our students to the traditional skills assessed on international tests is absolute nonsense!!

Having said that, though, I also believe that once a kid understands the concept of eg multiplication, memorized facts are useful. They shouldn't have to 'discover' 2x3 every time they need to use it.

Unfortunately, sometimes these things are not well communicated to teachers who are told what not to do anymore, but not what to do.

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Actually, the international tests, PISA and TIMMS are not testing basic traditional skills. But basic traditional skills need to be mastered to move on to higher order mathematics. It's hard for kids to solve a 4 step mathematical problem when they have to draw a diagram to figure out what 7x8 is.

[jacee]

Then I guess we're saying the same thing.

[Argus]

Kathleen Wynne understands the value and importance of a top notch public education system and she knows she has to pay educators a good wage to attract the best to the profession.

You mean in order to attract the donations of time and money from the teachers unions, don't you? Major back scratching in that relationship.

[PIK]

I wonder how she say all the crap she does with a straight face. Want to see incompetence and corruption Ms Wynne ,look in the mirror. And I am sick of this white privilege crap. We are a white country mainly built by whites with our Christian values and morals. You want to talk privilege in this country call it minority privilege. And socialist ,ONT teachers are the best paid in the world ,so why pay them anymore and if they don't like it, get a job somewhere else for less money.

[socialist]

I've lost much respect for Wynne.

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[Ash74]

But I thought that everything that is bad in Ontario was the fault of Mike Harris

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/11/ontario-created-its-doctor-shortage

[Argus]

I've lost much respect for Wynne.

I suppose everything else she did was okay, but the moment she stopped passing out big raises she lost your respect, huh?

[Ash74]

I suppose everything else she did was okay, but the moment she stopped passing out big raises she lost your respect, huh?

You have a valid point.

If Wynne offered the usual boat load of cash she has in the past. The teachers would be making the students prey to her statue every morning

Edited August 11, 2015 by Ash74

[socialist]

I suppose everything else she did was okay, but the moment she stopped passing out big raises she lost your respect, huh?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you?

[Bryan]

I don't think Wynne comprehends that her campaigning against Harper is actually going to help him win.

[Ash74]

I am wondering if she does indeed know exactly what she is doing.

Ontario has a history of not having the same party in office Federal and Provincial. I am wondering if she is setting up for the next election. She could also blame any tax hikes (and there a comin whether you call them cap or trade or pension) on not getting any help from Ottawa.

I loathe her polices but would never claim she is stupid. Her cabinet is very much a bunch of second stringers that have fumbled repeatedly and she has made some rookie mistakes(can you imagine if Harper's staff had been caught recorded offering a job to somebody if they stepped down, the rage from the people on this site that are now all quiet about Wynne) but she is not stupid.Slimy but not stupid.

[drummindiver]

Wynne cuts doctor residencies, which of course leads to more doctors, for ppl who need them, while getting money for docs from the Feds. Then, blame Harper for no money for docs cause transfers aren't at unsustainable rates. if nothing else, she knows how to politic.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/09/liberal-plan-to-cut-medical-residency-places-ripped?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=recommend-button&utm_campaign=Liberal+plan+to+cut+medical+residency+places+ripped

Edited August 12, 2015 by drummindiver

[socialist]

Wynne cuts doctor residencies, which of course leads to more doctors, for ppl who need them, while getting money for docs from the Feds. Then, blame Harper for no money for docs cause transfers aren't at unsustainable rates. if nothing else, she knows how to politic.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/09/liberal-plan-to-cut-medical-residency-places-ripped?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=recommend-button&utm_campaign=Liberal+plan+to+cut+medical+residency+places+ripped

Ontario is doomed. With all of the high taxes, fees, rules and regulations, sky high electrical rates, jammed highways and countless other things, all brought to you by the most incompetent politicians in the history of Canada.

[Michael Hardner]

Ontario is doomed. With all of the high taxes, fees, rules and regulations, sky high electrical rates, jammed highways and countless other things, all brought to you by the most incompetent politicians in the history of Canada.[/size]

Wow, Socialist. You sure have changed your tune on Wynne. Whatever happened ?

You posted THIS less than 6 months ago:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24297-sex-education-in-ontario/?p=1034576

This why Ontario gave Wynne a resounding majority, She is a solid leader, and right now, Ontario needs solid leadership. She will stand up to Harper, even though Harper will be gone later this year.

Wynne will make Ontario the economic engine that drives Canada....like the good ole days. Too bad Alberta.

[socialist]

Wow, Socialist. You sure have changed your tune on Wynne. Whatever happened ?

You posted THIS less than 6 months ago:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24297-sex-education-in-ontario/?p=1034576

Yes. I see things for what they truly are now. Again, thanks for perusing my past 1800 posts. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy to know I have admirers. Maybe open your eyes, Michael, and not believe everything you her or read from the MSM.

[Michael Hardner]

Well you certainly opened your eyes!

[socialist]

Well you certainly opened your eyes!

In fact, the Federal debt is NOT proportionately as big as Ontario's. As a percentage of national GDP, it's smaller than Ontario's as a percentage of provincial GDP. Second, the Federal government is either not in deficit or is running a very small one. Ontario is in deep deficit with no end in sight. Third, the Federal government has been steadily reducing taxes, while Ontario has been increasing taxes. Fourth, Federal spending as a percentage of national GDP has been dropping, while Ontario spending as a percentage of provincial GDP has been increasing. And finally, for this post at least, the Federal government controls the Bank of Canada and can finance its deficit, if it choose to, which it does not, by having the Bank of Canada purchase its debt (which the U.S. and the U.K. have been doing since 2008, i.e. having national central banks purchase central government debt). As a sub-national government, which does not control its currency base, this option is not available to Ontario.

Edited August 14, 2015 by socialist

[socialist]

I suppose everything else she did was okay, but the moment she stopped passing out big raises she lost your respect, huh?

Ontario Liberals could run a lemonade stand, just not in the same way you or I know lemonade stands. They'd drink all the lemonade, send the bill to taxpayers, then attempt to privatize the business after running it into the ground.

[socialist]

I think having provincial governments interfering with federal elections is great. People act like what happens federally and what happens provincial should be treated in isolation, but they affect each other. One failure of our current system is that there isn't much coordination between provincial and federal governments. Economy, education, healthcare and energy are all related yet we have the provincial governments determining a lot of this policy completely independent of federal governments.

Ontario has energy prices at twice the level of most of the rest of North America, has been getting recent credit downgrades and is on the path towards defaulting on it's debt, has been causing higher unemployment by raising the minimum wage, and unnecessarily duplicates education costs by having a Catholic school system. It would be silly to suggest that the stupidity of the Ontario government has had no influence in creating the recent recession.

I agree. Thanks to Wynne the Conservatives are ahead in Ontario and Ontario has had its foul taste of the NDP, so that is not an option. Being selfish, the Federal Conservatives have been the only government currently in power that has not affected me. The Ontario Liberals have caused a direct hit on my finances and there is more to come. What other choice is there in the federal election?

[socialist]

Wynne cuts doctor residencies, which of course leads to more doctors, for ppl who need them, while getting money for docs from the Feds. Then, blame Harper for no money for docs cause transfers aren't at unsustainable rates. if nothing else, she knows how to politic.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/09/liberal-plan-to-cut-medical-residency-places-ripped?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=recommend-button&utm_campaign=Liberal+plan+to+cut+medical+residency+places+ripped

Wynne may well rue the day that she ever hazarded to immerse herself in federal politics. As unlikely as it seems, the Ontario premier has managed to make her pension plan a national election issue, one that she's losing and is unlikely to ever gain the lead. She does not want the ballot issue - at least in Ontario - to become: If you vote for Tom or Justin you will get the my new costly pension plan for sure, but if you vote for Harper he, and he alone, may be able to stop the madness. It's like starting a knife fight when your opponent is holding a sword. With friends like this Justin doesn't need enemies.

[socialist]

Well you certainly opened your eyes!

Well you certainly opened your eyes!

Dalton, Wynne, the Liberal has taken the once proud Province of Ontario and turned it into a beggar in juts under 10 years. Who’s credit rating has again been downgraded, has a debt

of over 300 billion dollars, more high priced public servants on the payroll than it can afford, the highest energy rates in North

America a dying manufacturing sector, and billions lost in scandals.

So what is your point ? Harper by comparison is a saint.

[socialist]

Trudeau's main man (Gerry Butts) - or puppeteer, if you're pessimistic - was McGuinty's Chief of Staff.

How have the Ontario Liberals been with balancing the budget? Not raising taxes? Keeping their promises? Are they still blaming Harris for 13 years of their governmental mismanagement? Have they owned up to the fact that the provincial debt has doubled on their watch?
All very good reasons not to vote for Trudeau and his Butt-headed policies.

[PIK]

A CP reporter was on CFRA and he said they seen a report saying the teachers got a raise. And wynne said they have no money so no one gets a raise. But it was said there might have been pressure from trudeau to get it done. They did not want a strike just before the federal election. It seems some federal MP's were getting blow back about how the wynne liberals do business. So it seems a 1% check this yr and a 1.5% next yr, plus other benefits.