Sex Education In Ontario

cybercoma · February 25, 2015

There you go... this is the view of the 5%....

The question then becomes whether or not PIK is ready to deal with the social consequences of that policy.

cybercoma · February 25, 2015

I dislike comments like this. I don't agree with calling anyone you disagree with names.

A few nit wits think we are the same person. LOL

How's that working out for you?

guyser · February 25, 2015

I disagree with McVety. You calling him names is no better. It's hypocritical and I dislike hypocrites.

How about I call you on your inability to read english? Is that better? I didnt call him any names.

Its like someone here calling you a 'Teacher'....now that is funny.

What are we going to teach kids? That's it's OK to name-call and ridicule those we disagree with? That is not the kind of diverse, tolerant world I am trying to build. You have proven that you are no better...to the opposite extreme. It all makes me puke.

Go ahead and puke. What a dumb statement.

guyser · February 25, 2015

so anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual lifestyle choice means they're afraid of them? Maybe they just dont like them and what they represenT and dont agree with thier choices.

If this is your answer then you know didly squat about McVety.

He actively tries to remove rights from certain segments of our society .He has every right to his opinion, but when he campaigns to remoive rights....he gets what he deserves.

He is an asshat and a homophobe. There can be no other description.

LemonPureLeaf · February 25, 2015

If this is your answer then you know didly squat about McVety.

He actively tries to remove rights from certain segments of our society .He has every right to his opinion, but when he campaigns to remoive rights....he gets what he deserves.

He is an asshat and a homophobe. There can be no other description.

My question and comment was directed at those who like to use labels like homophobe, Islamophobe, etc... I don't think it necessarily means that the people who hold different views are afraid of homosexuals or Islamic fundamentalists people but instead just don't like them, what they represent or their way of life and want nothing to do with them.

I don't see how calling a member of society names is any way for a grown up to behave. That type of behaviour is called bullying in our schools. It seems the same adults who are against bullying are sending mixed messages. The message that somehow it's ok to bully those that someone doesn't happen to agree with.

guyser · February 25, 2015

My question and comment was directed at those who like to use labels like homophobe, Islamophobe, etc...

If one is a homphobe based on their actions against them....whats the problem?

I don't think it necessarily means that the people who hold different views are afraid of homosexuals or Islamic fundamentalists people but instead just don't like them, what they represent or their way of life and want nothing to do with them.

Well thats nice, go read what McVety calls gays or what he tries to do to diminish or outright remove rights of some.

All people he doesnt know btw.

Nice try though.

I don't see how calling a member of society names is any way for a grown up to behave.

Please tell us what someone should call a homophobe when said person makes it his business to denigrate/suppress/remove rights of a gay person?

BTW, I wasnt calling him names, I labled him based on his outward actions.

The_Squid · February 25, 2015

The Conservatives are sure making it easy for the ruling Liberals when they have crackpots in the party...

Plus, they got schooled in QP apparently quite badly....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-pcs-distance-themselves-from-mpp-who-denies-evolution/article23202872/

In that debate, Mr. McNaughton called for schools to be allowed to opt out of teaching sex ed. Education Minister Liz Sandals asked if that meant they should be allowed to opt out of teaching evolution as well. Mr. Nicholls responded that this would be a good idea.

Within an hour, he followed up with an emailed statement saying he’d been given a talking-to by PC House Leader Steve Clark: “I acknowledge that my comment is not reflective of Ontario PC Party policy,” he said of his anti-evolution remarks.

PC interim leader Jim Wilson tried to distance the party from Mr. McNaughton and Mr. Nicholls’s controversial opinions.

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The debate had its toughest moment for the Tories on Tuesday when Mr. McNaughton tried to grill Ms. Wynne in the legislature over sex ed. The Premier, the first openly gay head of government in the English-speaking world, pointed to one of Mr. McNaughton’s comments from the previous day, in which he said, “it’s not the Premier of Ontario’s job, especially Kathleen Wynne, to tell parents what’s age-appropriate for their children.”

“What is it that especially disqualifies me for the job that I’m doing? Is it that I’m a woman? Is it that I’m a mother? Is it that I have a master’s of education? Is it that I was a school council chair? Is it that I was the minister of education?” Ms. Wynne thundered. “What is it exactly that the member opposite thinks disqualifies me from doing the job that I’m doing? What is that?”

PC MPPs sat ashen-faced as Liberals heckled them and applauded Ms. Wynne.

LemonPureLeaf · February 25, 2015

The Conservatives are sure making it easy for the ruling Liberals when they have crackpots in the party...

Plus, they got schooled in QP apparently quite badly....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-pcs-distance-themselves-from-mpp-who-denies-evolution/article23202872/

The problem is that th e governing Liberals are under 3 OPP investigations and 1 Elections Canada investigations not to mention the bungled gas plant scandal, Ornge ambulance and the wind power stuff. Yet she thinks her Liberals are in a position to teach children about morals and ethics while being morally bankrupt themselves.

guyser · February 25, 2015

The Conservatives are sure making it easy for the ruling Liberals when they have crackpots in the party...

Plus, they got schooled in QP apparently quite badly....

The PC's brains werent working were they? When reading that I knew where it was going, Macnughton must be pretty dumb to phrase it that way.

Bob Macadoo · February 25, 2015

So I prove that you're a hater and that is the best you can come back with?

Unraveling are we? Funny another poster likes using the term "hater".....

cybercoma · February 25, 2015

Plus, they got schooled in QP apparently quite badly....

That is the single worst dressing down I have ever seen in a legislature.

socialist · February 26, 2015

Unraveling are we? Funny another poster likes using the term "hater"......

......which allows you to make another baseless assumption? Time for you to grow up and remove the tin foil hat. If you have solid proof that I am someone else, then present the evidence on this forum. Otherwise, grow up, and stop acting like an immature child.

You are not even in the vicinity of perfect absolution.

poochy · February 26, 2015

......which allows you to make another baseless assumption? Time for you to grow up and remove the tin foil hat. If you have solid proof that I am someone else, then present the evidence on this forum. Otherwise, grow up, and stop acting like an immature child.

You are not even in the vicinity of perfect absolution.

Even if you are exactly what you say you are, and only that person, it would not change how ridiculous your posts are. So either way.

The_Squid · February 26, 2015

That is the single worst dressing down I have ever seen in a legislature.

You don't get to see the silent, ashen faces on the other side from this video clip, but here it is:

Ash74 · February 26, 2015

You don't get to see the silent, ashen faces on the other side from this video clip, but here it is:

I have made it very clear about my feelings towards Wynne and the Ontario Liberals but yeah she beat the consevatives like the rented mule of a red headed step child.

This is why we right wingers get a bad rep. I honestly don't care that the woman is a lesbian. I feel kids should be taught in this day and age about families that may not be the same as theirs.

She won this one battle huge and it was a good one.

Now about that bribe in sudbury.......

Edited February 26, 2015 by Ash74

Bob Macadoo · February 26, 2015

Now about that bribe in sudbury.......

...I think Wynne will take Rick Nicholls' advice and opt out.

socialist · February 26, 2015

I have made it very clear about my feelings towards Wynne and the Ontario Liberals but yeah she beat the consevatives like the rented mule of a red headed step child.

This is why we right wingers get a bad rep. I honestly don't care that the woman is a lesbian. I feel kids should be taught in this day and age about families that may not be the same as theirs.

She won this one battle huge and it was a good one.

Now about that bribe in sudbury.......

This why Ontario gave Wynne a resounding majority, She is a solid leader, and right now, Ontario needs solid leadership. She will stand up to Harper, even though Harper will be gone later this year.

Wynne will make Ontario the economic engine that drives Canada....like the good ole days. Too bad Alberta.

I also know that Wynne values pubic education. I've heard tat she will be preparing a very good deal for educators in the next round of bargaining. That's not official, but just what I've heard. Stay tuned.

Ash74 · February 26, 2015

This why Ontario gave Wynne a resounding majority, She is a solid leader, and right now, Ontario needs solid leadership. She will stand up to Harper, even though Harper will be gone later this year.

Wynne will make Ontario the economic engine that drives Canada....like the good ole days. Too bad Alberta.

I also know that Wynne values pubic education. I've heard tat she will be preparing a very good deal for educators in the next round of bargaining. That's not official, but just what I've heard. Stay tuned.

She had a good day. I gave her that. Tomorrow might not be as rosy. With her staff possibly going to jail.

Wynne and her government have never shown they have a economic ability to control costs or the ability to use taxpayers money wisely.

You may not feel the deficit is important but investors do.

socialist · February 26, 2015

She had a good day. I gave her that. Tomorrow might not be as rosy. With her staff possibly going to jail.

Wynne and her government have never shown they have a economic ability to control costs or the ability to use taxpayers money wisely.

You may not feel the deficit is important but investors do.

Deficit and debt are nothing more than right - wing boogy men. Ontario, as far as I'm concerned is in great shape for the future. All in thanks to a progressive Liberal government with a fearless leader that won't be bullied.

LemonPureLeaf · February 26, 2015

Deficit and debt are nothing more than right - wing boogy men. Ontario, as far as I'm concerned is in great shape for the future. All in thanks to a progressive Liberal government with a fearless leader that won't be bullied.

Debt and deficit are very important matters. Just ask Greece of debt is important. The Premier did well today no doubt about it. But they are still under 3 OPP investigations and 1 by Elections Canada. That is serious....that's what matters.

Ash74 · February 26, 2015

Deficit and debt are nothing more than right - wing boogy men. Ontario, as far as I'm concerned is in great shape for the future. All in thanks to a progressive Liberal government with a fearless leader that won't be bullied.

Ontario pays over 10 billion a year just on interest. It is the third biggest expense after Health care and education. Wynne and party has increase the debt combined with the credit rating going down which mean's higher rates.

Would you not see that money going to infrastructure?

Yes debt is a way of life but when you are only paying the minimum payments on your credit card while applying for new ones it only can last for so long.

What is being ignored with this sex ed news cycle is the fact the public sector unions are voting for strikes and the teachers unions are right beside them.

So are you agreeing with Wynne her economic plan with cutting or with the unions?

socialist · February 26, 2015

Ontario pays over 10 billion a year just on interest. It is the third biggest expense after Health care and education. Wynne and party has increase the debt combined with the credit rating going down which mean's higher rates.

Would you not see that money going to infrastructure?

Yes debt is a way of life but when you are only paying the minimum payments on your credit card while applying for new ones it only can last for so long.

What is being ignored with this sex ed news cycle is the fact the public sector unions are voting for strikes and the teachers unions are right beside them.

So are you agreeing with Wynne her economic plan with cutting or with the unions?

I'm living very comfortably. We all must pay taxes as that is what is needed to run a healthy society. We have an extremely high standard of living. Debt and deficits won't change that. Debts and deficits are necessary for the important social programs we desire. There always will be debts and deficits. They are a part of life in a democratic society.

People say we will end up like Greece. That is nonsense. If Greece's trouble level is 99%, Ontario, in comparison would be at 0.01%. I'm not worried. I will continue to pay taxes to a system that helps everyone.

Keepitsimple · February 26, 2015

People say we will end up like Greece. That is nonsense. If Greece's trouble level is 99%, Ontario, in comparison would be at 0.01%. I'm not worried. I will continue to pay taxes to a system that helps everyone.

More like Greece is 174% and Ontario is 40% - because that is their current debt to GDP rations.Your attitude is like that of a flippant teenager who keeps going to Mom and Dad for money. Understand - Ontario's ratio is the highest in the history of the Province. Interst rates WILL go up.....and credit raters are already warning Ontario that unless they address their deficit-spending, they will downgrade their rating - which will push rates even higher. As Ash said, we're already paying over $10 billion just to pay the interest on our debt - money that should be going to help people. Your attitide is short-sighted and naively greedy....."give me what I want NOW - I don't care what happens down the road". Well Socialist - some of us do.

Socialism fails when it runs out of other people's money to spend.

Black Dog · February 26, 2015

Debt and deficit are very important matters. Just ask Greece of debt is important. The Premier did well today no doubt about it. But they are still under 3 OPP investigations and 1 by Elections Canada. That is serious....that's what matters.

So why, I wonder, are the PCs making such a fuss over sex ed when they have bigger fish to fry?