Smallc Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 We have an excellent option already in power. The best government this country has ever had, and one of the best in the world right now. If only they were a little...better...option. More evidence based, more open to cooperation, and a bit less rigid. Quote
Bryan Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 If only they were a little...better...option. More evidence based, more open to cooperation, and a bit less rigid. True. As I've said many times, the bar is set very low. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 We have an excellent option already in power. The best government this country has ever had, and one of the best in the world right now. Well let's see. We have a Canadian peso, blossoming debt, biggest government in history, rising unemployment because Harper bet so heavily on tar sands, healthcare funding about to be cut, and a string of scandals. One of which will resume to be unearthed in court next week. Best government ever? Where do you get those rose colored glasses? Quote
Smallc Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Well let's see. Oh for the love of... We have a Canadian peso It's been lower. We all know that. Stop the grandstanding. Most of the fall has been against the US dollar, mostly because of its own rise. Other currencies have followed similar paths. blossoming debt Debt to GDP has been falling for a couple of years, and the debt itself will start falling this year. biggest government in history Because more people live here. The Canadian federal government takes in, as a percentage of GDP, the least it has since 1950. rising unemployment because Harper bet so heavily on tar sands Employment is holding steady, and you've provided no proof of such supposed Harper bets. healthcare funding about to be cut You mean with smaller increases going forward - from both Ottawa and the provinces. Perspective and context is important. Edited August 9, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Bryan Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 It's been lower. We all know that. Stop the grandstanding. Most of the fall has been against the US dollar, mostly because of its own rise. Other currencies have followed similar paths. And it's VERY good for business. I can now charge less than my competitors in the US, and still end up with more in my pocket after the exchange. Quote
TimG Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) We have a Canadian pesoWTF? 3 years ago the opposition was whining about a dollar that was too high and now it is dropping that is a problem? rising unemployment because Harper bet so heavily on tar sandsAgain WTF? Harper did not "bet" on anything. He tried to get out of the way and private industry create jobs where they wanted to create jobs. The premise that governments decide what sectors should grow and what should not is delusional nonsense. Edited August 9, 2015 by TimG Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) ... It's been lower. We all know that. Stop the grandstanding. Most of the fall has been against the US dollar, mostly because of its own rise. Other currencies have followed similar paths. Most certainly...these things happened during Chretien's reign of economic terror to an even greater degree...but Harper is the bad guy today? Edited August 9, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 WTF? 3 years ago the opposition was whining about a dollar that was too high and now it is dropping that is a problem? Again WTF? Harper did not "bet" on anything. He tried to get out of the way and private industry create jobs where they wanted to create jobs. The premise that governments decide what sectors should grow and what should not is delusional nonsense. Sur he did. He bet on the oil path for revenues and now they are not there we are in recession. Denying that is what is delusional nonsense, but it seems a common thread among Harper supporters. Quote
TimG Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Sur he did. He bet on the oil path for revenues and now they are not there we are in recession. Denying that is what is delusional nonsense, but it seems a common thread among Harper supporters.Your argument is completely incoherent. Try addressing the point I made. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Your argument is completely incoherent. Try addressing the point I made. Not sure what point you were trying to make. Look at the incentives Harper gave the oil sector just with his omnibus bills killing any kind of environmental protections to pave the way for what is now a failing sector. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 We have an excellent option already in power. The best government this country has ever had Best government? I don't know. I would have to compare all our terrible governments. Excellent? Doubt it. From funding ISIS to cutting the GST instead of other taxes, to not getting rid of supply management thereby reducing our ability to get trade deals with the EU or Asia, to taking a one-sided position on Ukraine thereby greatly polarizing the situation and contributing to civil war, to an inability to counter Obama's climate alarmist rhetoric and securing Keystone XL, I'm a bit skeptical about the conservatives being an 'excellent' option. I would not call the results you get with most examples of PR "cooperation". More like extortion. PR gives you minorities and perpetual coalitions where the party with the plurality is incapable of carrying out the platform they were elected on. Fringe parties are on the fringe for a reason, we need to get them further away from power, not closer to it. It works just fine in New Zealand. Quote
Argus Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Posted August 9, 2015 I didn't pick this particular post to quote except that it is about PR. Does every single thread about a Canadian election turn to discussions about PR? Given two of the three parties have vowed to change our election system to proportional rep it ought to be a subject under heavy discussion. It's more important than any other topic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Posted August 9, 2015 Well let's see. We have a Canadian peso, The Left has been complaining about the high Canadian dollar, blaming the government for its affect on manufacturing. Now the dollar has fallen and you're still complaining! blossoming debt, Well, the debt is blossoming for the Ontario Liberals, who have never balanced the budget and never will, but the federal Tories have managed to balance theirs. biggest government in history, Again, isn't it the Left which believes in big government? Since the size of our population keeps growing shouldn't the size of the government? rising unemployment Which is not rising. because Harper bet so heavily on tar sands, The oil sands are why we managed to glide so easily through the worst recession in a century. I'm sure Harper will be delighted to take credit for them. In reality, though, none of you people arguing this same theme have any evidence to back it up. It's just emotional association between the oil sands you hate and the prime minister you hate. healthcare funding about to be cut, Not happening. That's just a lie that you keep repeating. and a string of scandals. Pretty minor scandals which, unlike those of previous governments, didn't result in billions of my money being diverted into the pockets of their friends. There's not a shred of honesty in your post, nor in you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Posted August 9, 2015 Sur he did. He bet on the oil path for revenues and now they are not there we are in recession. Denying that is what is delusional nonsense, but it seems a common thread among Harper supporters. Still waiting for evidence. <sound of crickets chirping> Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Posted August 9, 2015 Not sure what point you were trying to make. Look at the incentives Harper gave the oil sector just with his omnibus bills killing any kind of environmental protections to pave the way for what is now a failing sector. Yes, damn him for trying to reduce the time of environmental assessments from ten years to only three or four! Damn him! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Posted August 9, 2015 Excellent? Doubt it. From funding ISIS to We funded ISIS? I managed to miss seeing that in any of the budget papers. You will, of course, show evidence of this, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Yes, damn him for trying to reduce the time of environmental assessments from ten years to only three or four! Damn him! No he just is/has tried to muzzle science. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Still waiting for evidence. <sound of crickets chirping> Maybe stop playing with your crickets ad check the price of a bbl of oil in the last year or so. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 The Left has been complaining about the high Canadian dollar, blaming the government for its affect on manufacturing. Now the dollar has fallen and you're still complaining! Well, the debt is blossoming for the Ontario Liberals, who have never balanced the budget and never will, but the federal Tories have managed to balance theirs. Again, isn't it the Left which believes in big government? Since the size of our population keeps growing shouldn't the size of the government? Which is not rising. The oil sands are why we managed to glide so easily through the worst recession in a century. I'm sure Harper will be delighted to take credit for them. In reality, though, none of you people arguing this same theme have any evidence to back it up. It's just emotional association between the oil sands you hate and the prime minister you hate. Not happening. That's just a lie that you keep repeating. Pretty minor scandals which, unlike those of previous governments, didn't result in billions of my money being diverted into the pockets of their friends. There's not a shred of honesty in your post, nor in you. Really got your head in the sand. We can usually tell as that's when you resort to your insults. Quote
Smallc Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Maybe stop playing with your crickets ad check the price of a bbl of oil in the last year or so. That isn't evidence of what he was refuting. Quote
Smallc Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 Really got your head in the sand. We can usually tell as that's when you resort to your insults. That's an excellent defence of your points - none of which were correct. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 That's an excellent defence of your points - none of which were correct. So what do you think the price of oil is? Do you think we are not in recession as well? Quote
Smallc Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 So what do you think the price of oil is? Do you think we are not in recession as well? We very well may be in a recession (though if we are, it will be very technical in nature, lasting exactly 6 months), and it will be largely because of the price of oil. Of course, the other 90% of the economy continues to grow, albeit slowly. It doesn't take all that much of a change to go from normal growth to a technical recession. None of that proves any kind of wagon hitching on the part of Harper to the oil industry in any exclusive way. Quote
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blueblood Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 We very well may be in a recession (though if we are, it will be very technical in nature, lasting exactly 6 months), and it will be largely because of the price of oil. Of course, the other 90% of the economy continues to grow, albeit slowly. It doesn't take all that much of a change to go from normal growth to a technical recession. None of that proves any kind of wagon hitching on the part of Harper to the oil industry in any exclusive way. They also dont take into account that the volume if oil output from alberta is still going up. I spoke to a worker who worked on the newly completed imperial oil upgraded there and if what he says is true that with that new upgrader they can make a go at it for $20.00 a barrell. Thats pretty good for the projects that are already sunk If i were harper i would use this opportunity of low oul prices and thus lower costs if labour to find a way to hammer thise pipelines through. East, west, and hopefully south. (dont think a republican will win this time around). Since this is his last go round, fall on the sword, put them through and hopefully garneau (who seems reasonable) leads the liberals next election. Those people from BC need to eat some humble pie and stop gettinng in the way of progress. Its nice that they get to be well off, let the other people in the country benefit too. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
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