jacee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 She was arrested for disobeying a lawful police order to exit her vehicle ... She was threatened with a taster for trying to call her lawyer. There was nothing lawful about his order. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) She was threatened with a taster for trying to call her lawyer. There was nothing lawful about his order. . A court would determine that post arrest. Her actions directly contributed to the escalation, and most certainly contributed 100% to her suicide. Edited July 27, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 A court would determine that post arrest. Her actions directly contributed to the escalation, and most certainly contributed 100% to her suicide. Good lord I bet you actually believe that don't you? Anybody with a lick of sense knows it was he who caused the escalation. And exactly how would a court determine that post arrest I wonder, if the cop hadn't turned on the dashcam. Quote
Boges Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Posted July 27, 2015 Conspiracy Theorist are saying that she's dead in her mug shot. http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/sandra-bland-mugshot-mug-photo-already-dead-photoshopped-edited-fake-conspiracy-theory-hoax-real-edited-photos/ Quote
Argus Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 That's a whole lot of "mights". Fact of the matter is this woman failed to signal a lane change on her way to start a new job, probably a hundred buck ticket or some such. Because of an apparently poorly trained, over zealous, possibly racist cop, she was led off in handcuffs, sent to jail, and is now dead. She MIGHT have just paid the damn ticket, and gone on to a successful career. Or if she hadn't acted like an idiot, hadn't refused both verbally and physically, to the point he drew his taser, there wouldn't have been any confrontation at all. And neither of us knows if, when they moved to the side, she resisted further, including kicking him in the shin as is claimed. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 It will be interesting to see what the FBI finds in it's investigation. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Or if she hadn't acted like an idiot, hadn't refused both verbally and physically, to the point he drew his taser, there wouldn't have been any confrontation at all. And neither of us knows if, when they moved to the side, she resisted further, including kicking him in the shin as is claimed. Not putting a cigarette out while in your own car requires the threat of being tasered? No, pulling out the taser is where the idiocy starts. Interesting though you seem to lend more credence to his claim of a kick in the shin that you can't see, and ignore what is quite clearly unnecessary escalation in the video, which you can see. Quote
jacee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) A court would determine that post arrest. Her actions directly contributed to the escalation, and most certainly contributed 100% to her suicide.His actions you mean, and he's a paid professional. Why is he telling her to put out her cigarette? What is his lawful authority to do so? Because his right to detain her ended the minute he was done with his traffic investigation and written the ticket or warning. At that point, the detention became unlawful. At that point, he is no longer acting in his capacity as a police officer, rather he is just a man in uniform harassing a woman stopped alone in her car by the side of the road. ... Because, it is important to remember that you still have the right to defend yourself against a police officers unlawful actions. ... If an officer is behaving unlawfully, you can use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself. http://www.attn.com/stories/2498/sandra-bland-arrest-lawful Edited July 27, 2015 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) ... Because, it is important to remember that you still have the right to defend yourself against a police officers unlawful actions. ... If an officer is behaving unlawfully, you can use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself. More nonsense...again...if it was that legal and easy, many more people would just blow off police detentions. Keep the fantasies in Canada.....don't forget to tell the constable about the Magna Carta too !! Edited July 27, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) His actions you mean, and he's a paid professional. Why is he telling her to put out her cigarette? What is his lawful authority to do so? Because his right to detain her ended the minute he was done with his traffic investigation and written the ticket or warning. At that point, the detention became unlawful. At that point, he is no longer acting in his capacity as a police officer, rather he is just a man in uniform harassing a woman stopped alone in her car by the side of the road. ... Because, it is important to remember that you still have the right to defend yourself against a police officers unlawful actions. ... If an officer is behaving unlawfully, you can use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself. http://www.attn.com/stories/2498/sandra-bland-arrest-lawful And there is a relatively recent USSC decision that confirms all that. (Rodrigues v The United States) It essentially says that if a cop sees a traffic violation he has the right to pull you over, and issue you a citation or warning. When that is completed he has no right to detain you further, unless of course he has reasonable suspicion to think that a further crime has, or is being committed. Sans that, if he holds you any further he is just a guy in a blue shirt harassing you which is illegal. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf Edited July 27, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
GostHacked Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 I could be wrong but this all seems to be boiling down to a debate between officer safety and peoples rights. At the least: officer safety vs. due process. Are there people here willing to admit that officer safety is a superior concern to peoples rights and due process? There is no admission to be made. An officer who puts my rights and safety in question is also putting his own rights and safety in question when he is both on and off duty. An officer's safety should never come above the rights of people and due process. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Then you comply with the cigarette request and take legal action afterward. It is an illegal request and does not need to be entertained. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Police Officer: "Exit the vehicle!" Perp: "No....I was reading on the interwebs forums that I don't have to...especially in Canada !" YAY CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA !!!!! Quote
Shady Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 It is an illegal request and does not need to be entertained. No it's not. Nor is asking somebody to stop talking on their phone during a stop. But if one feels that way, then challenge it in court afterwards. It's smart to pick ones battles. Quote
Shady Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 His actions you mean, and he's a paid professional. Why is he telling her to put out her cigarette? What is his lawful authority to do so? Because his right to detain her ended the minute he was done with his traffic investigation and written the ticket or warning. At that point, the detention became unlawful. At that point, he is no longer acting in his capacity as a police officer, rather he is just a man in uniform harassing a woman stopped alone in her car by the side of the road. ... Because, it is important to remember that you still have the right to defend yourself against a police officers unlawful actions. ... If an officer is behaving unlawfully, you can use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself. http://www.attn.com/stories/2498/sandra-bland-arrest-lawful If the detention was unlawful, then take legal action afterwords. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 If the detention was unlawful, then take legal action afterwords. She can't Shady, she's dead! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Well there 'ya go America...expert advice on your next traffic stop. Just tell the cop to hurry up and right the ticket...tear it up...and be on your way. Ignore the squad car that is pursing you afterwards with flashing lights and siren....it's an unlawful detention ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 No it's not. Nor is asking somebody to stop talking on their phone during a stop. But if one feels that way, then challenge it in court afterwards. It's smart to pick ones battles. Yes it was an illegal request. Smoking is not illegal in Texas. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Well there 'ya go America...expert advice on your next traffic stop. Just tell the cop to hurry up and right the ticket...tear it up...and be on your way. Ignore the squad car that is pursing you afterwards with flashing lights and siren....it's an unlawful detention ! I dunno, it's your supreme court that came to the finding. Other than that, your post is really silly. Quote
Shady Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 She can't Shady, she's dead! She shouldn't have killed herself then. Quote
Shady Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Yes it was an illegal request. Smoking is not illegal in Texas. No it's not illegal. It's legal to be sitting in your car too. But if a police officer asks you to get out of the vehicle, you'd be wise to comply. If you feel that your rights have been violated, there's legal recourse afterwords. It's wise in most cases to not take the law into your own hands. Especially over something as insignificant as a cigarette. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 No it's not illegal. It's legal to be sitting in your car too. But if a police officer asks you to get out of the vehicle, you'd be wise to comply. If you feel that your rights have been violated, there's legal recourse afterwords. It's wise in most cases to not take the law into your own hands. Especially over something as insignificant as a cigarette. Except he took the law into his own hands, and actually broke the law, over something as insignificant as a cigarette. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 She shouldn't have killed herself then. And you now that to be true do you? If that's so, the FBI would like to hear from you, because they are not so sure. Quote
jbg Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 So you don't mind if you are detained with no reason given. Up to you I guess. Is it a cause for suicide? Frankly I'd like to know if she suffered from depression previously. If she did that would give a good clue on why she was suicidal. You hear a lot about psychology when someone shoots up a recruiting station in Tennessee and the shooter is Muslim. Not so much when the person who very well may have issues is black. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Is it a cause for suicide? Frankly I'd like to know if she suffered from depression previously. If she did that would give a good clue on why she was suicidal. You hear a lot about psychology when someone shoots up a recruiting station in Tennessee and the shooter is Muslim. Not so much when the person who very well may have issues is black. I tend to think the only issues she had was being black and getting stopped by a racist cop for not putting her signal on. Quote
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