On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Somebody killing themselves. Ah, no, apparently you missed the point, again. It's about police action at a routine traffic stop. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Ah, no, apparently you missed the point, again. It's about police action at a routine traffic stop. Then you comply with the cigarette request and take legal action afterward. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Then you comply with the cigarette request and take legal action afterward. Why do you continue to ignore what is so completely obvious. The cop over stepped his authority, impinged on a person's rights, and escalated a situation completely out of control. And you choose to dither over a freekin cigarette. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Why do you continue to ignore what is so completely obvious. The cop over stepped his authority, impinged on a person's rights, and escalated a situation completely out of control. And you choose to dither over a freekin cigarette. I agree. But put out the cigarette and take legal action afterwards. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 I agree. But put out the cigarette and take legal action afterwards. How realistic is that? Give your head a shake. That attitude excuses the cop who either wasn't very well trained, or ignored his training and then their is the race issue. She made a illegal lane change. Big deal! A ticket and on her way is how it should have been handled. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 How realistic is that? Give your head a shake. That attitude excuses the cop who either wasn't very well trained, or ignored his training and then their is the race issue. She made a illegal lane change. Big deal! A ticket and on her way is how it should have been handled.I agree. And a ticket and on her way is all it would've been if she just put the cigarette out. You gotta pick your battles. It's like when I'm coming back from Michigan and I get some a-hole customs agent. I can comply with his rudeness and time wasting suggestions, or I could confront the rudeness and risk him pulling me aside and totally searching my car for no reason. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Police Officer: "Exit the vehicle!" Perp: "No....I was reading on the interwebs forums that I don't have to...especially in Canada !" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Macadoo Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 I agree. And a ticket and on her way is all it would've been if she just put the cigarette out. You gotta pick your battles. It's like when I'm coming back from Michigan and I get some a-hole customs agent. I can comply with his rudeness and time wasting suggestions, or I could confront the rudeness and risk him pulling me aside and totally searching my car for no reason. You keep bending over at the border.....see if that random function generator keeps you from being pulled over. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 I agree. And a ticket and on her way is all it would've been if she just put the cigarette out. You gotta pick your battles. It's like when I'm coming back from Michigan and I get some a-hole customs agent. I can comply with his rudeness and time wasting suggestions, or I could confront the rudeness and risk him pulling me aside and totally searching my car for no reason. Yet again, you are failing to place the blame where it belongs. The cigarette is a non issue. If you pay attention to the video you can tell he was going to escalate things for whatever reason he could find. Aparently he is rookie and hopefully taken out of service. Perhaps the whole PD needs to have a rvue of it's training. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Police Officer: "Exit the vehicle!" Perp: "No....I was reading on the interwebs forums that I don't have to...especially in Canada !" Nor in Texas actually. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Yet again, you are failing to place the blame where it belongs. The cigarette is a non issue. If you pay attention to the video you can tell he was going to escalate things for whatever reason he could find. Aparently he is rookie and hopefully taken out of service. Perhaps the whole PD needs to have a rvue of it's training.No I blame the cop. But understanding risk/reward and de-escalating a situation with somebody who's clearly abusing their power is more important. Then you'll always have legal recourse afterwards to help remedy the situation. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 No I blame the cop. But understanding risk/reward and de-escalating a situation with somebody who's clearly abusing their power is more important. Then you'll always have legal recourse afterwards to help remedy the situation. Right...if it was that easy to dodge the cops...we would all do it. "I am not going to listen to you officer because I think you are poorly trained and not being very professional...so there !" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 No I blame the cop. But understanding risk/reward and de-escalating a situation with somebody who's clearly abusing their power is more important. Then you'll always have legal recourse afterwards to help remedy the situation. And what legal recourse could she possibly have access to in this case? Explain how that would work, and who would bear the cost? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Right...if it was that easy to dodge the cops...we would all do it. "I am not going to listen to you officer because I think you are poorly trained and not being very professional...so there !" Who said anythig about dodging them? I guess you are just accustomed to poorer quality cops in merika. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 And what legal recourse could she possibly have access to in this case? Explain how that would work, and who would bear the cost? If she feels like her rights were infringed upon. Some people might feel however that a request to put out a cigarette falls short of that, and might even be somewhat reasonable. How would it work? The same way any lawsuit is filed against an officer or police department. She might have to bear the cost, or she might find a lawyer through legal aid or even willing to take the case pro bono. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Right...if it was that easy to dodge the cops...we would all do it. "I am not going to listen to you officer because I think you are poorly trained and not being very professional...so there !" Yep. It's all part of the new "arrest is optional" mantra. Um, no it isn't. It's not a debate club. If you're placed under arrest, you don't have a choice. The choice and recourse comes afterwards. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Note the actions of this very patient constable dealing with a smart ass perp....he asks that the cigarette be put out. It is always interesting when Canadians demand that they be Mirandized...something that applies in the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 If she feels like her rights were infringed upon. Some people might feel however that a request to put out a cigarette falls short of that, and might even be somewhat reasonable. How would it work? The same way any lawsuit is filed against an officer or police department. She might have to bear the cost, or she might find a lawyer through legal aid or even willing to take the case pro bono. That's a whole lot of "mights". Fact of the matter is this woman failed to signal a lane change on her way to start a new job, probably a hundred buck ticket or some such. Because of an apparently poorly trained, over zealous, possibly racist cop, she was led off in handcuffs, sent to jail, and is now dead. She MIGHT have just paid the damn ticket, and gone on to a successful career. Quote
jacee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Yep. It's all part of the new "arrest is optional" mantra. Um, no it isn't. It's not a debate club. If you're placed under arrest, you don't have a choice. The choice and recourse comes afterwards. He had no reason to arrest her. . Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Note the actions of this very patient constable dealing with a smart ass perp....he asks that the cigarette be put out. It is always interesting when Canadians demand that they be Mirandized...something that applies in the U.S. Police have to deal with these kinds of douche bags constantly. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 He had no reason to arrest her. . I somewhat agree. Then take the proper recourse afterwards. Quote
Shady Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 That's a whole lot of "mights". Fact of the matter is this woman failed to signal a lane change on her way to start a new job, probably a hundred buck ticket or some such. Because of an apparently poorly trained, over zealous, possibly racist cop, she was led off in handcuffs, sent to jail, and is now dead. She MIGHT have just paid the damn ticket, and gone on to a successful career.I don't know if the cop is racist etc. But clearly abusing his power. Put the cigarette out and/or challenge the arrest in court. Quote
jacee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Smoking a cigarette in your own car isn't grounds for arrest. She didn't have to put it out. He had no right to take her out of the car and threaten to tase her, no right to arrest her. I believe he also told her she couldn't call her lawyer. And the big question is: WHY WAS SHE BEING TAILED? She changed lanes to get out of his way because she was being tailed. She's an activist. She knew why he was harassing her. We all know why he was harassing her! . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Smoking a cigarette in your own car isn't grounds for arrest. She didn't have to put it out. He had no right to take her out of the car and threaten to tase her, no right to arrest her. I believe he also told her she couldn't call her lawyer. And the big question is: WHY WAS SHE BEING TAILED? She changed lanes to get out of his way because she was being tailed. She's an activist. She knew why he was harassing her. We all know why he was harassing her! . If you watch the whole dashcam video you see a previous traffic stop the sa cop makes where he is completely polite and gives only a written warning, no fine. No get out of the car, no put out your smoke. What you can't see is the color of the lady in the first stop, only voices. Any bets as to the color of the first one? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 Smoking a cigarette in your own car isn't grounds for arrest. She didn't have to put it out. He had no right to take her out of the car and threaten to tase her, no right to arrest her. She was arrested for disobeying a lawful police order to exit her vehicle and for allegedly assaulting the police office. He has no right to arrest her...but he does have the lawful authority to arrest her, and he did. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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