Wilber Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Obviously not, because he was still on duty for many years. Nothing special about Bland...just another motorist who thought she had "rights" and could ignore the lawful orders of a police officer. Cops are trained to escalate in response to resistance just like he did....taser was next. Most of us manage to navigate such an event without any problem...may not like it...but it's not worth fighting with police over. I think Bland was a time bomb waiting to go off no matter what cop stopped her. She had priors too. Your cops maybe. Dumb cops maybe. Smart cops can make life difficult for someone without using force or even raising their voice. 3 days in jail because she couldn't cover $5,000 bail for what. failing to signal and refusing to get our her car because she wouldn't put out a cigarette? No wonder you have the highest incarceration rate on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Your cops maybe. Dumb cops maybe. Smart cops can make life difficult for someone without using force or even raising their voice. 3 days in jail because she couldn't cover $5,000 bail for what. failing to signal and refusing to get our her car because she wouldn't put out a cigarette? No wonder you have the highest incarceration rate on the planet. Nope...she was in jail for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. Nice try for the sympathy play. Perps who don't make bail spend the weekend...even in Canada. Gasp ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Nope...she was in jail for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. Nice try for the sympathy play. Perps who don't make bail spend the weekend...even in Canada. Gasp ! http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/23/breaking-down-the-legal-issues-in-sandra-blands-arrest/ Not even in America. Guess that is why this cop is off the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/23/breaking-down-the-legal-issues-in-sandra-blands-arrest/ Not even in America. Guess that is why this cop is off the street. Plenty more like him patrolling today....and tomorrow...and the next day. Come on down here and tell them how it should be done....like in Canada ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Plenty more like him patrolling today....and tomorrow...and the next day. Wouldn't brag about it. Come on down here and tell them how it should be done....like in Canada ! No thanks, happy where I am. See another theater got shot up today. You folks be going through metal detectors so you can see a movie soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Wouldn't brag about it. No thanks, happy where I am. See another theater got shot up today. You folks be going through metal detectors so you can see a movie soon? No brag...just fact - Will Sonnett Stay where you are and be happy.....worrying so much about what happens "south of the border". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Nope...she was in jail for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. Nice try for the sympathy play. Perps who don't make bail spend the weekend...even in Canada. Gasp ! I guess you didn't watch the dashcam or you would understand what kind of trumped up BS you are supporting. But we get the picture, so carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Bland could have had her day in court...maybe even prevailed against the charges. She decided to take another way out of jail. It worked.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Stay where you are and be happy.....worrying so much about what happens "south of the border". says the guy, you, with 38K+ posts... worrying so much about what happens "north of the border"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 No brag...just fact - Will Sonnett Stay where you are and be happy.....worrying so much about what happens "south of the border". Worry? Don't flatter yourself. Not ignoring isn't the same as worrrying. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time concerning yourself with what happens up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Bland could have had her day in court...maybe even prevailed against the charges. Like when? Next week? Next month? Can't afford bail so probably can't afford an attorney so will have to wait until a public defender, prosecutor and judge can make time for her. How long does she sit in jail because of a police officer who couldn't control himself enough to handle such a chickenshit incident? How much time and effort does the legal system have to waste to deal with this non event? Edited July 24, 2015 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Worry? Don't flatter yourself. Not ignoring isn't the same as worrrying. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time concerning yourself with what happens up here. "Up here" is in Texas....don't flatter yourself as well. If some of your guys didn't obsess so much about what happens in the U.S., I would have flitted away years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Like when? Next week? Next month? Can't afford bail so probably can't afford an attorney so will have to wait until a public defender, prosecutor and judge can make time for her. How long does she sit in jail because of a police officer who couldn't control himself enough to handle such a chickenshit incident? How much time and effort does the legal system have to waste to deal with this non event? Assaulting a police office is a felony. Her family was raising the $500 bond to make bail. She sits in jail just as long as the law says so. Nothing special about this perp. She could assault and murder somebody later and get lots of hugs in Canada. Hell, you guys are still screwing around with the RCMP-Dziekanski case from his "murder" in 2007 ! Edited July 24, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Assaulting a police office is a felony. Her family was raising the $500 bond to make bail. She sits in jail just as long as the law says so. Nothing special about this perp. She could assault and murder somebody later and get lots of hugs in Canada. Hell, you guys are still screwing around with the RCMP-Dziekanski case from his "murder" in 2007 ! Exactly, nothing special about her, she failed to signal a lane change. Hard to imagine anyone less special than that but it seems to make you public enemy #1 in Texas, capable of murder and all sorts of bad stuff. Hate to get a speeding ticket, never see the outside again. How does an unarmed woman assault a police officer from inside her car and when she is in handcuffs after being dragged out of the car. If there was an assault involved, it wasn't her. In the video the officer even said she never tried to hit him, all she did was struggle after she was cuffed. Sure she called him some names but she was right, he is a pussy. Nope nothing special about this perp, guess that's why one American in a hundred is in jail. Yup, we are still screwing around with the Dziekanski case. Monty Robinson just got sentenced to 20 months today. Considering his history, it should have been more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Apparently so is being black around cops. It's curious, then, that we see, in case after case, black people refusing to obey police, running from police, attacking police, resisting arrest, etc. They don't seem to be too worried about police, for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Exactly, nothing special about her, she failed to signal a lane change. Hard to imagine anyone less special than that but it seems to make you public enemy #1 in Texas, capable of murder and all sorts of bad stuff. Hate to get a speeding ticket, never see the outside again. My wife got a speeding ticket last week....no big deal. No tears....no drama....paid the $226 fine online. Easy breezy..... How does an unarmed woman assault a police officer from inside her car and when she is in handcuffs after being dragged out of the car. If there was an assault involved, it wasn't her. In the video the officer even said she never tried to hit him, all she did was struggle after she was cuffed. Sure she called him some names but she was right, he is a pussy. She is alleged to have kicked the officer while resisting arrest. She could have beat the rap, but chose suicide instead. Dumb Nope nothing special about this perp, guess that's why one American in a hundred is in jail. Yup, we are still screwing around with the Dziekanski case. Monty Robinson just got sentenced to 20 months today. Considering his history, it should have been more. Well if the Canadian hug-a-thug criminal justice system can take 8 years, I am sure that a city in Texas can take a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The idea that being anything but completely respectful to police can be bad for your health is, quite frankly, offensive. The profession has gone from "protecting and serving" to dudes driving around intimidating people. I'd be more than perturbed of some cop stopped me for forgetting to signal. Why? It's against the law in that state. It's against traffic rules just about everywhere and is subject to a ticket. Who do you think you are? Are you special? You get to violate traffic laws and how dare the police pull you over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Nothing shows how authoritarian a person is than whether or not they think Bland should have just put out her cigarette and shut her mouth or not. You mean how sane. Police will always tell someone who is at all agitated, or who they are confronting to put out a cigarette because in any kind of confrontation it can be and has often been used as a weapon. Either you are a libertarian and think that she had a right to continue to smoke in her own car or you are an authoritarian who thinks that she should have just shut up and done any and everything the cop asked of her. You don't leave any room for anything in between, like being sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Your cops maybe. Dumb cops maybe. Smart cops can make life difficult for someone without using force or even raising their voice. 3 days in jail because she couldn't cover $5,000 bail for what. failing to signal and refusing to get our her car because she wouldn't put out a cigarette? No wonder you have the highest incarceration rate on the planet. The charge was assaulting police and resisting arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 I guess you didn't watch the dashcam or you would understand what kind of trumped up BS you are supporting. But we get the picture, so carry on. The dashcam only shows the initial part of the confrontation, including her refusal to put out the cigarette and her refusal to get out of the car. After that they moved off camera, where we don't really know for sure what happened. The next we saw she was already on the ground with the two cops over her. According to police she kicked him in the shin and resisted arrest. I can't say one way or another, but logically, why would he put her on the ground if there weren't some further point of confrontation between them? And yes, I agree that he should have de-escelated. There is a woeful lack of that effort in many of these incidents on the part of police, unfortunately. That does not make her any less an idiot, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Like when? Next week? Next month? Can't afford bail so probably can't afford an attorney so will have to wait until a public defender, prosecutor and judge can make time for her. How long does she sit in jail because of a police officer who couldn't control himself enough to handle such a chickenshit incident? How much time and effort does the legal system have to waste to deal with this non event? You mean how long does she spend in jail because she didn't act in a sensible manner and instead initiated a confrontation with police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 How does an unarmed woman assault a police officer from inside her car and when she is in handcuffs after being dragged out of the car. She wasn't in handcuffs when she got out of the car after he pointed a taser at her. However, after they moved around to the side of the car, which was, unfortunately, out of camera range, a further confrontation occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is what happens when cops play nice with agitated perps: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The charge was assaulting police and resisting arrest. Arrest for what? She asked several times why she was being arrested and I never heard an answer. If you are being arrested, the police have to tell you why. Even in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Arrest for what? She asked several times why she was being arrested and I never heard an answer. If you are being arrested, the police have to tell you why. Even in Texas. Arrested for disobeying a lawful police order. Citizens don't get to debate the issue in real time. That comes later....in court. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/23/sandra-bland-and-the-lawful-order-problem/ Edited July 25, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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