TimG Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Asking people to have a little compassion and sensitivity is penalizing them. You're being melodramatic, Tim.A university sends a missive to all employees with a bunch of "recommendations" that imply that not following these "recommendations" creates a "hostile environment" which is a term with legal implications. This is an implicit threat by management to its employees. Since there is no objective way to determine what is a "microagressions", employees really have no choice but to avoid making any statements that could be construed as offensive by anyone. This is the inevitable consequence of threats by an employer and it really makes no difference if *you* think that not all rude statements are microagressions. What matters is what people have to do to protect themselves from retaliation by an employer who has told them they will be judged by their adherence to poorly defined speech code. Quote
TimG Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Hey, when you beat your children, did you tell them to stop crying and suck it up?Are you really comparing physical violence to insensitive words? Holy hyperbole batman! Quote
dre Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Indeed. I think the social justice warriors have finally pushed too far with their ridiculous attacks on speech and language. 5-10 years ago, the mainstream part of the population just kind of went along with the latest developments in political correctness. Today, mainstream people are finally beginning to see the absurdity for what it is. I dont see any evidence of this at all. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I'll let all of you naysayers take another look at what I linked earlier. http://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/_files/seminars/Tool_Recognizing_Microaggressions.pdf Do you see the title of that document? It says recognizing the messages that microaggressions send. It's about raising consciousness of how these words affect people. Once it's been pointed out to you, if you want to continue to be a complete tool that's your prerogative. If you want to tell people to "suck it up." That's fine too. But stop whining about people thinking you're a jerk when the message you're sending is pointed out and you don't care. Edited June 30, 2015 by cybercoma Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
TimG Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) It says recognizing the messages that microaggressions send. It's about raising consciousness of how these words affect people.I find it incredibly ironic that you can insist that innocent comments are "racist" because of bizarre interpretations of the words yet be completely blind to the much more direct implications of a document sent by an employer to its employees. It really makes no difference if the document is about 'raising awareness' or 'recommendations' - the fact that it was sent means the employer is saying 'if you ignore or disagree with these recommendations you will be judged' Edited June 30, 2015 by TimG Quote
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I find it incredibly ironic that you can insist that innocent comments are "racist" because of bizarre interpretations of the words yet be completely blind to the much more direct implications of a document sent by an employer to its employees. It really makes no difference if the document is about 'raising awareness' or 'recommendations' - the fact that it was sent means the employer is saying 'if you ignore or disagree with these recommendations you will be judged'Oh, you're being judged alright. Did you have some false impression that freedom of speech means that nobody will judge you or even applies to employers at all? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
TimG Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Oh, you're being judged alright. Did you have some false impression that freedom of speech means that nobody will judge you or even applies to employers at all?So now you are agreeing that the employer is implicitly threatening employees that fail to comply? You should also recognize that it is simply wrong for universities to be forcing professors to adopt particular political viewpoints in what is supposed to be an environment that supports the free exchange of ideas. Edited June 30, 2015 by TimG Quote
Freddy Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I'll let all of you naysayers take another look at what I linked earlier.http://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/_files/seminars/Tool_Recognizing_Microaggressions.pdfDo you see the title of that document?It says recognizing the messages that microaggressions send. It's about raising consciousness of how these words affect people. Once it's been pointed out to you, if you want to continue to be a complete tool that's your prerogative. If you want to tell people to "suck it up." That's fine too. But stop whining about people thinking you're a jerk when the message you're sending is pointed out and you don't care. We don't all have to be little "my little pony" rainbows of unconditional love and fairness. If you want to think I'm a jerk for not being a total wimp so be it. When someone comes over to slaughter you , This jerk will be what's stopping them from killing all the spinless kittens. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) God...it's worse than I thought. Canadian SJWs are importing this nonsense from the United States. McGill University’s student society is defending an apology made by one of its executives for an alleged act of “microaggression,” despite massive backlash from students who felt it was unnecessary and hypersensitive. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/mcgill-faces-massive-backlash-after-ridiculous-apology-for-microaggression-over-emailed-joke-obama-clip http://mcgillmicroaggressions.tumblr.com/ Edited June 30, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 So now you are agreeing that the employer is implicitly threatening employees that fail to comply?Threatening? That's a big leap from judging and I didn't say the employers were judging. I said you're being judged for being told the message that those phrases send and continuing to use them anyway. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Bonam Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Ah yes, judging everyone that doesn't bow before the wisdom of the SJW cult. What happened to being tolerant of different people, cultures, viewpoints? Oh, I forgot, consistency is irrelevant. White male hatred is rule #1. Quote
Bonam Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 God...it's worse than I thought. Canadian SJWs are importing this nonsense from the United States. McGill University’s student society is defending an apology made by one of its executives for an alleged act of “microaggression,” despite massive backlash from students who felt it was unnecessary and hypersensitive. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/mcgill-faces-massive-backlash-after-ridiculous-apology-for-microaggression-over-emailed-joke-obama-clip http://mcgillmicroaggressions.tumblr.com/ As with any fundamentally evil philosophy, things have to come to a head before it can be purged from society. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 How to win a micro aggression argument as a social justice warrior: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 An excellent flowchart. Neatly explains the algorithms of a few members here... Quote
TimG Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I said you're being judged for being told the message that those phrases send and continuing to use them anyway.Yet many of the phrases represent legitimate political viewpoints. An employer like a university should be encouraging political discussion - not trying to censor it by threatening to "judge" employees who dare to dispute the administration's ideology. Edited June 30, 2015 by TimG Quote
Bonam Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Yet many of the phrase represent legitimate political viewpoints. An employer like a university should be encouraging political discussion - not trying to censor it by threatening to "judge" employees who dare to dispute the administration's ideology. You forget: no more discussion is necessary. The social justice movement already has all the answers. They have achieved ultimate wisdom, and the purpose of universities is no longer to discuss anything, but instead to indoctrinate the masses. Edited June 30, 2015 by Bonam Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted June 30, 2015 Author Report Posted June 30, 2015 Yes. The debate is over and there is a consensus. Didn't you know? Quote
Black Dog Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Ah yes, judging everyone that doesn't bow before the wisdom of the SJW cult. What happened to being tolerant of different people, cultures, viewpoints? Oh, I forgot, consistency is irrelevant. White male hatred is rule #1. For someone who thinks people need to be tougher, you sure are quick to wallow in the trappings of victimhood. As with any fundamentally evil philosophy, things have to come to a head before it can be purged from society. You take the guy out of Soviet Russia... Yes. The debate is over and there is a consensus. Didn't you know? Sounds a bit like your little circle jerk here, actually. "SJWs are bad." "So bad." "Yes. Orwellian." "So Orwellian." Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
-1=e^ipi Posted June 30, 2015 Author Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Sounds a bit like your little circle jerk here, actually. If you don't agree with us, we aren't going to silence you or threaten to get you fired. If you disagree, then why not explain why we are wrong about SJW using manipulation of language and Orwellian word association games? Edited June 30, 2015 by -1=e^ipi Quote
Black Dog Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 If you don't agree with us, we aren't going to silence you or threaten to get you fired. Nah, but if you follow the GramerGator/MRA playbook, you might stalk, threaten or harass me on social media and beyond. If you disagree, then why not explain why we are wrong about SJW using manipulation of language and Orwellian word association games? Well I reject the premise entirely for starters. Also, Orwell himself would probably be spinning in his grave at your casual and thoughtless appropriation of his name for your pet cause. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Ah yes, judging everyone that doesn't bow before the wisdom of the SJW cult.No. Judging people who are told how their words belittle and degrade people, but they continue to do it. Sorry that "offends" you. Maybe you should grow a thicker skin. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Yes. The debate is over and there is a consensus. Didn't you know?What debate? Saying, "here's the message these comments send" isn't a debate. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Well I reject the premise entirely for starters. Also, Orwell himself would probably be spinning in his grave at your casual and thoughtless appropriation of his name for your pet cause.Invoking Orwell for social conservative dogma is about as hilariously ironic as arguments get here. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
kimmy Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 God...it's worse than I thought. Canadian SJWs are importing this nonsense from the United States. McGill University’s student society is defending an apology made by one of its executives for an alleged act of “microaggression,” despite massive backlash from students who felt it was unnecessary and hypersensitive. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/mcgill-faces-massive-backlash-after-ridiculous-apology-for-microaggression-over-emailed-joke-obama-clip http://mcgillmicroaggressions.tumblr.com/ That fake clip of Obama kicking the door open is hilarious, and not racist at all. Trigger warning: -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Black Dog Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I knew what microaggressions were before this op. I had even heard of them prior to the UCLA issuing implied threats to its staff. And, yes, that is what microaggressions are in essence because there is no objective standard to distinguish between rude and insensitive remarks and whatever each individual considers to be "microaggressions" so if such behavior is to be punished then that means all rude and insensitive remarks are to punished. "Would I say this to a white person?" would seem to be a good litmus test. That is why it is simply wrong to penalize such behavoir and people who are easily offended need to grow up are learn to live with being offended without taking it personally. This...doesn't make any sense. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
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